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Old 08-08-2003, 20:27   #1
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channel 4 to screen teen sex programming

channel 4 is to devote a season of programming about teen sex

one of the programmes will be called adult at 14 which will offer a 'realistic examination of teenage sexuality'

also a documentry about the age of consent in which a presenter will argue that sex below the age of 16 should be legalised

but the most contraversial program IMO is called 14 alone where 10 boys and 10 girls aged 14 will spend 5 days and nights without adult supervision

they will be under the spotlight of the cameras channel 4 maintain they are not introducing a big brother style program but simply offering an insight in to teenage lives

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm...dworld.sexlife

so what do you all think of the program above many questions are left unanswered are the producers trying to find out how children of that age respond to each other gender wise ? or tempting them in to activitys infront of the cameras ?
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Old 08-08-2003, 22:13   #2
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I think this programme is a total outrage!!

Which parent in their right mind would let their children take part in it

It asks alot of serious questions about the way life is now and how children are made to grow up too early
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Old 08-08-2003, 22:17   #3
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I think this programme is a total outrage!!

Which parent in their right mind would let their children take part in it

It asks alot of serious questions about the way life is now and how children are made to grow up too early
children grow up alot earlier then people think there emotions also evolve at an early age this is why teenage pregnancy rates are high

but the program seems a bit strange to me the timing of it and the nature of it what they really are trying to prove you could say im questioning there intentions
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It is a bit stupid but I bet those kids aren't complaining.
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Old 08-08-2003, 23:36   #6
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children grow up alot earlier then people think there emotions also evolve at an early age this is why teenage pregnancy rates are high

but the program seems a bit strange to me the timing of it and the nature of it what they really are trying to prove you could say im questioning there intentions
Wouldn't the high rates of teenage pregnancy denote an absence of maturity rather than an excess?
Just because you can have sex doesn't mean that you're mature or ready.... it's means you're biologically able

Having said that... i don't personally have a problem with teens talking about their sexuality and relationships.. their opinions about how they feel and their peer relationships are as valid if not more so, than those of others.

My fear is that the younger people/children? who are interested in experimenting sexually... weren't we all? ....... and freely discuss their feelings openly will perhaps lend even more credence to the views and opinions of paedophiles who try to convince others that the children they abuse are willing accomplices in their criminal acts because they are sexually and emotionally mature therefore actively participate in these acts.

Channel 4 seem to want to spearhead this type of programming.... i'm probably wrong.. but did they not screen the film 'Kids' which was the subject of much critcism for it's portrayal of sexually active teenagers?


[Disclaimer]: When i say weren't we all... i obviously don't mean me..... beacause i'm an ... :p
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[B]Wouldn't the high rates of teenage pregnancy denote an absence of maturity rather than an excess?
Just because you can have sex doesn't mean that you're mature or ready.... it's means you're biologically able
i never said/meant they are mature

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Having said that... i don't personally have a problem with teens talking about their sexuality and relationships.. their opinions about how they feel and their peer relationships are as valid if not more so, than those of others.
i agree

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My fear is that the younger people/children? who are interested in experimenting sexually... weren't we all? ....... and freely discuss their feelings openly will perhaps lend even more credence to the views and opinions of paedophiles who try to convince others that the children they abuse are willing accomplices in their criminal acts because they are sexually and emotionally mature therefore actively participate in these acts.
yes we are

this is the type of thing i meant i just think channel 4 are sending out the wrong message by screening that particular program maybe im wrong its all inncocent but only time willl tell once the program is screened
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Old 08-08-2003, 23:58   #8
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i never said/meant they are mature


Oh ok... i'd just assumed when you said growing up that you meant maturing both emotionally and mentally not just physically.... probably because i was always being told to Grow up!! in a loud screeching voice.... i just assumed that she [mum] didn't mean to develop breasts earlier and get taller

But your point is taken
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Oh ok... i'd just assumed when you said growing up that you meant maturing both emotionally and mentally not just physically....

But your point is taken
ah the old assumption game i hate it when people do that but alas all is well i meant kids grow up faster and 'turn on' ( bad choice of words :p ) there emotions alot earlier

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probably because i was always being told to Grow up!! in a loud screeching voice.... i just assumed that she [mum] didn't mean to develop breasts earlier and get taller
IMO you have not grown up at all just as well then because........:p
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Old 09-08-2003, 13:36   #10
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Ok, here we go with another controversial one...!!!

Firstly, however, I want to ensure that I get on record the fact that I do *NOT* in any way support, condone or approve of anyone being persuaded, forced or influenced into doing anything against their will or without their agreement and informed consent.

Now, having said that, the fact is that our society considers children to be incapable of giving informed consent, but there is, IMO, a fault in that reasoning because if we deny them the information they need then *of course* they can't make an informed decision!

However it should be pointed out here that modern ideas of childhood are exactly that, *modern*. For the majority of human history children have been working in the fields or workshops or factories as soon as they were old enough to help, it was only post the industrial revolution that we could afford the luxury of universal education because we could finally spare the children from the need to work.

The result of this is that we have effectively *created* this thing called childhood and whilst it's a laudable thing and should be protected, IMO we've taken this concept too far because we are now preventing children from learning things that, in the past, would have been every day events to them.

(And I'm not just talking about sex. In the past death was, if you'll pardon the expression, just part of life, but now we seem to think that children have to be "protected" from it, with the result that it's *more* traumatic when they first really encounter it)

But what happens now in this country is that children do not learn about sex (and, more especially, relationships) until *after* puberty when the hormones are already starting to rage and all they've really learned is what they've picked up in the playground (which is, of course, almost certainly wrong).

Some years ago I saw a documentary which showed a group of Dutch children watching a British "sex education" film and they were laughing their socks off at how twee and repressed it was. Dutch schoolchildren get taught about sex education *and* more importantly, relationships, much earlier and they're given the *full* facts, not just those "sanitised" ones that have been foisted on British children.

Guess which country has the lower rate of teenage pregnancy?! (In fact, IIRC, it's one of the *lowest* full stop!)

The fact is that, despite the "well meaning" efforts of certain parts of our leadership, children are *still* going to grow up and experiment with sex and trying to stop them from doing so by denying them the information they need makes about as much sense as saying "well if I don't teach my children about swimming, they won't go near the water and drown"!!

So my point is that we should stop treating children at the age of puberty as if they were still infants, but, instead, treat them as *young adults* as they deserve to know the truth about the facts of life *before* they need the information, not after!
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[Snippity snip].......Firstly, however, I want to ensure that I get on record the fact that I do *NOT* in any way support, condone or approve of anyone being persuaded, forced or influenced into doing anything against their will or without their agreement and informed consent.

Now, having said that, the fact is that our society considers children to be incapable of giving informed consent, but there is, IMO, a fault in that reasoning because if we deny them the information they need then *of course* they can't make an informed decision!........[Snippity snipped]
Can i ask you a question graham? While i agree with most of what you're saying ... i wanted to clear something up that i'm not sure is clear... but that might just be me
When you say that informed consent is essential, which of course it is regardless of age, does that mean that you would advocate sexual relations between an adult (let say over 18 or 21) and an 'informed' child ( pubescent.... or not)? Are you saying that as long as they are aware of the nature of the act, possible reprecussions and actively choose do go ahead etc.. that this should be legal?

Just a question.... no criticism intended... as yet .... but i wanted to clearly understand what you meant

Maybe i should now stand back and let you and ramrod take over? :p
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I do agree with Graham that Children do need adequate sex education, that is basically because they will have sex at some point, especially if we tell them not to, so, working on the assumption they will, we should try and make sure they take adequate precautions.


I don't agree, however, that an adult should be allowed to have sex with a child (inforned or not)

Back on topic: I think, if Channel 4 don't go for thrills and handle it intelligently, this teen sex programming could be a good thing.

Edit: I didn't mean to imply that anyone on this forum would suggest allowing adults to have sex with children.
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I do agree with Graham that Children do need adequate sex education, that is basically because they will have sex at some point, especially if we tell them not to, so, working on the assumption they will, we should try and make sure they take adequate precautions.


I don't agree, however, that an adult should be allowed to have sex with a child (inforned or not)

Back on topic: I think, if Channel 4 don't go for thrills and handle it intelligently, this teen sex programming could be a good thing.
Before i get flamed for implying that graham said that... i was just trying to clear that point up because i think i may have misunderstood but if that isn't what he said... then i apologise if my question implied it.

At the risk of continuing .... it would be interesting to know at what ages people think being a child ends... and the young adult phase begins....

But no matter.... i agree with stu.. and if handled responsibly then a programme dealing with the issues of teenage sexuality should be a good thing. Perhaps it could be used as a part of a sexual eduation programme in schools.
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yep i agree young people need to be educated at an early age about the implications of sexual activity but the age of consent should be at 16 and stay that way

i think the programming will be interesting to watch the only slight concern i had was the 10 girls 10 boys under surveillance program
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