Installing a phone socket - help
13-07-2004, 14:39
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Installing a phone socket - help
Hello. I am installing a phone socket onto my ntl line because my old one, having been installed very poorly, has fallen off.
I have brought a socket but the wires are different colours to the ones on my ntl line.
The terminal on the inside of the socket looks like this:
Connection 1 - - Connection 4
Connection 2 - - Connection 5
Connection 3 - - Connection 6
The instructions are:
White goes into 2
Red goes into 3
Orange goes into 4
Blue goes into 5
But, I only have these wires coming out of my phone line:
An orange wire with white patches
A white wire with orange patches
A white wire with blue patches
A blue wire with white patches
Can anyone translate them? And if so, does anybody know which one(s) carry the electricity to the phone?
Hope you can interpret my diagram. Thanks.
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13-07-2004, 14:40
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Re: Installing a phone socket - help
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13-07-2004, 14:47
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Re: Installing a phone socket - help
Coggy impression, here goes
You haven't brought a socket. You would only have brought the socket if you had gone somewhere and taken it with you.
You have BOUGHT a socket.
Sorry but, big pet hate and so so many people do that.
Lesson over
Dismissed.
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13-07-2004, 15:01
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Re: Installing a phone socket - help
is this the master socket for your phone, or is it an extension?
if it is your master socket and you start tinkering, you are breaking the law and ntl will charge you lots when/if you need to call them out...it doesnt matter that it was "like that when you started" -- through their eyes you will still be to blame...
...if it is an extension, see the above link
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13-07-2004, 15:09
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Re: Installing a phone socket - help
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Originally Posted by gary_580
Coggy impression, here goes
You haven't brought a socket. You would only have brought the socket if you had gone somewhere and taken it with you.
You have BOUGHT a socket.
Sorry but, big pet hate and so so many people do that.
Lesson over
Dismissed. 
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Yeah. Sorry.
Well, technically, I brought it from the DIY store to my home lol
But thanks anyway for the unnecessary correction.
Nope, this is not a master socket.
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13-07-2004, 15:09
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Re: Installing a phone socket - help
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Originally Posted by Dave Stones
if it is your master socket and you start tinkering, you are breaking the law and ntl will charge you lots when/if you need to call them out...it doesnt matter that it was "like that when you started" -- through their eyes you will still be to blame... 
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The whole notion of not being allowed to tinker with the master socket full stop is a bit silly really - what happens if you are painting the room or wallpapering it?
If I were wallpapering or painting, I would remove the socket from the wall (although I would still keep it wired) regardless of what they said. Why should I waste my time and money papering or painting around the socket?
Surely you are within your rights to temporarily remove it for such purposes?
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13-07-2004, 15:14
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Re: Installing a phone socket - help
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Originally Posted by Nemesis
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ty btw
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13-07-2004, 15:14
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Re: Installing a phone socket - help
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Originally Posted by ntl customer
The whole notion of not being allowed to tinker with the master socket full stop is a bit silly really - what happens if you are painting the room or wallpapering it?
Surely you are within your rights to temporarily remove it for such purposes? 
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It amazes me how much in my home isn't mine to keep but I'm expected to keep it in good nick.
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13-07-2004, 15:23
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Re: Installing a phone socket - help
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Originally Posted by Incognitas
It amazes me how much in my home isn't mine to keep but I'm expected to keep it in good nick.
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Ditto. But then again, you don't pay for the products, so with your ntl subscription you are technically hiring them.
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13-07-2004, 15:56
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Re: Installing a phone socket - help
And when you unscrew it from the wall & lift it away mine gets even hire'er...
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13-07-2004, 16:30
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Re: Installing a phone socket - help
When I moved here I found a NTL box, presumably for TV, but I was imagining that because NTL said it didn't exist. I also imagined the two master sockets (don't ask me), the brown box in the cellar, and the extension socket in the bedroom - all installed by NTL. There was also a BT phone wire - I got BT to put a master socket on the end of the it, and I removed the two NTL master sockets (including cutting the wires in the brown box). I then did this:
BT master --> living room extension --> connect upto wiring in cellar for NTL bedroom extension
So I basically made the bedroom extension live again by daisy chaining, using wiring that already existed but in the wrong configuration.
It's all dead easy - just make sure (regardless of colour) that you always connect 2 to 2 and 3 to 3 and so on. No crossing over. The wiring I worked with changed colour 3 times between the BT master socket and the bedroom extension. Took a fair bit of concentration
If I can do it, being useless at DIY and an accident waiting to happen, then anyone can
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13-07-2004, 17:53
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13-07-2004, 18:03
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Re: Installing a phone socket - help
It's got 24 volts running down it (I think) so you can get a jolt, the current is not that high though.
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13-07-2004, 18:18
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Re: Installing a phone socket - help
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Originally Posted by SMHarman
It's got 24 volts running down it (I think) so you can get a jolt, the current is not that high though.
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i had a feeling it was 50 volts though i am not sure , made me eyes open a bit wide though
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13-07-2004, 18:29
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Re: Installing a phone socket - help
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Originally Posted by SMHarman
It's got 24 volts running down it (I think) so you can get a jolt, the current is not that high though.
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you wont get a jolt from 24 volts!!! I used to know a telecoms guy who would strip the wires with his teeth. This was on an internal exchange, used to be fun great fun trying to dial the number that was in his mouth!!
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