the feds are 'coming for you' on xbox live.

kronas · 05-04-2004, 16:27

the FBI is trying to 'open up' the law on tapping in to communications and xbox live was mentioned as a possible resource for 'detection of illegal activitys'

source: spong.com

http://spong.com/x?art=6442

Tezcatlipoca · 05-04-2004, 19:41

CNET's "News.Com" report that a few weeks ago:

http://news.com.com/2100-1028-5172948.html

Quote:

March 12, 2004, 1:05 PM PST
By Declan McCullagh and Ben Charny
Staff Writer, CNET News.com

A far-reaching proposal from the FBI, made public Friday, would require all broadband Internet providers, including cable modem and DSL companies, to rewire their networks to support easy wiretapping by police.

The FBI's request to the Federal Communications Commission aims to give police ready access to any form of Internet-based communications. If approved as drafted, the proposal could dramatically expand the scope of the agency's wiretap powers, raise costs for cable broadband companies and complicate Internet product development.

Legal experts said the 85-page filing includes language that could be interpreted as forcing companies to build back doors into everything from instant messaging and voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) programs to Microsoft's Xbox Live game service. The introduction of new services that did not support a back door for police would be outlawed, and companies would be given 15 months to make sure that existing services comply.

(snip)

Because the eavesdropping scheme has the support of the Bush administration, the FCC is expected to take it very seriously. Last month, FCC Chairman Michael Powell stressed that "law enforcement access to IP-enabled communications is essential" and that police must have "access to communications infrastructure they need to protect our nation."

(snip)

I think they'll probably get their way...

The PATRIOT Act has already got rid of a lot of the safeguards of the FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act), so I can't see BushCo having any qualms about making surveillance even more easy. Liberty seems to take a second place to "security" now. Oh, and FCC Chairman Michael Powell is the son of Dubya's Secretary of State, Colin Powell...

Tricky · 05-04-2004, 19:44

O the joys of free speech...

Chris W · 05-04-2004, 20:50

hmm.... so which forum member is an FBI officer then...? Come on, own up! :pp

kronas · 05-04-2004, 20:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeybreath

hmm.... so which forum member is an FBI officer then...? Come on, own up! :pp

*cough

the land of the 'free' eh ?

Gareth · 06-04-2004, 02:24

God Bless America *sigh*

zoombini · 06-04-2004, 08:04

So what are they going to hear?
Discussions about weapons & tactics? Hmm, I think that may be part of the gaming...lol

**Maggy** · 06-04-2004, 11:12

Paranoia knows no bounds.
So now are gamers are at risk of arrest if they come up with key words inadvertantly?Will they be arresting young teens?

Scary!!

zoombini · 06-04-2004, 12:32

The thing is, onXBL the key words that are likely to be hit upon are also words that can be used from within gaming strategy talks.

In fact you can discuss a whole attack on a building somewhere under the guise of a game & its hard to tell.

Ah well.. I wonder how our human rights etc come into this?

Defiant · 06-04-2004, 15:41

I dont see the point to this. I thought M$ checked to see if you were using illegal bios and banned you from live anyway so this has to be a hoax

zoombini · 06-04-2004, 16:00

Its nothing to do with that, its to do with the US paranoia that we are all conspiring against them & our most secret conversations will be listened to, recorded & analized, flagged up & reviewed all in the name of US security.

And they get to deny us our rights to some privacy because uncle Bill is mates with Uncle George & they all want to know what we say in case we are plotting against them.

So next time you are having fun & saying how you would like to deop a nuclear bomb on the Embassy (ghost Recon) then beware as you will be instantly identified & visited by the invisible men in Black, watching & listening in on your game (you think thats just "lag"?), knocking at your door, carting you off should you happen to say it a lot.

Perhaps its time to start talking in code on XBL.
I bought the Apples (I have grenades)
I have bad wind (I have teargas, so wear a gas mask)
get on thier t*ts ( frontal assault)
give it to them up the batty (rear assult)
Its ging-gang-gooly time (camp & sniper the enemy).

etc

Brainbug71 · 06-04-2004, 16:16

I can understand the need for any country's need for security and monitoring of certain groups or people. But since Sept 11th the U.S. of A**holes have completely lost the plot.

If it moves shoot it, if it don't move still shoot it ......cos you never know!

As for Human rights and Liberty thats just B.S. that they drag out when it suits their cause. When it doesn't suit it's like none of those rights ever existed.

As for Xbox live..watch out all those of you who play crimson skies.. God knows how they'd interpret some of the chat on that game.... probly think your practicing for another big aerial attack.

MovedGoalPosts · 06-04-2004, 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoombini

<snip>
Perhaps its time to start talking in code on XBL.
I bought the Apples (I have grenades)
I have bad wind (I have teargas, so wear a gas mask)
get on thier t*ts ( frontal assault)
give it to them up the batty (rear assult)
Its ging-gang-gooly time (camp & sniper the enemy).

etc

excellent, apart from the fact you've just made the code public

Tezcatlipoca · 06-04-2004, 20:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoombini

The thing is, on XBL the key words that are likely to be hit upon are also words that can be used from within gaming strategy talks.

In fact you can discuss a whole attack on a building somewhere under the guise of a game & its hard to tell.

Ah well.. I wonder how our human rights etc come into this?

True. I don't see how they'd get any usable info from monitoring anything people say on XBL, especially as the main games played are shooters like CS, GRIT, RS3 etc.

I can understand why they would want to monitor other VoIP stuff, although the whole thing is still an invasion of privacy IMO.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defiant

I dont see the point to this. I thought M$ checked to see if you were using illegal bios and banned you from live anyway so this has to be a hoax

Erm?

This has *nothing* to do with trying to use an illegal BIOS / modded XBox on XBL.

Defiant · 06-04-2004, 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca

True. I don't see how they'd get any usable info from monitoring anything people say on XBL, especially as the main games played are shooters like CS, GRIT, RS3 etc.

I can understand why they would want to monitor other VoIP stuff, although the whole thing is still an invasion of privacy IMO.

Erm?

This has *nothing* to do with trying to use an illegal BIOS / modded XBox on XBL.

Then why are you so bothered then. Are you worried there checking your game stats and seeing how bad they are. NO well who cares they can't check anything outside the US of A anyway and I doubt any decent gamer would be using US servers anyway