Football : Referee's need retrain and VAR

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Been watching recently and getting so frustrated at the poor decisions by officials and VAR

It appears that officials that go to Liverpool, Manchester Utd/ City, Arsenal and Chelsea appear to be scared to bring out cards.
Today there was a 'so called' penalty, that should have been given and wasn't by a 'knee'

VAR is ruining football and referees should go back to the training board

Arthur did you not say at some time in the past you had been a ref? Just curious whether there’s anyone in the lower/non leagues that thinks VAR is good or if it’s universally despised.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

VAR is ruining football and referees should go back to the training board

Ruining it how ?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Paul

Ruining it how ?

Just takes too long, flow of the game ruined.

Work in cricket/tennis where there is a delay after each ball/point, but not football. Most of the games I see aren't Premiership/VAR and are so much better. Mistakes happen by players/officials/managers - accept them and move on - evens out over a season.

Mistakes have "ruined" football for years, I remember in the 1980's a Clive Allen "goal" was ruled out because the ball flew into the net, hit a stanchion the back, and bounced right out again. The ref (and linesman) thought it had hit the post. Then of course, Englands goal against Germany in 2010 that looked a foot over the line but was not given. VAR helps reduce mistakes, overall its a good thing.

Also, it "evens out over a season" is a complete falacy, it doesnt.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Paul

VAR helps reduce mistakes, overall its a good thing.

Also, it "evens out over a season" is a complete falacy, it doesnt.

If it reduces mistakes why does pgmol (stupid name) have to apologise every week? It's not reducing mistakes It's creating new ones. Off side is a joke now, they seem to think if your off side your off side which clearly it isn't or the rules wouldn't need to be kept tampering with

[Jaymoss]

I gave up on football when they removed the limit of foreign players on the pitch at any one time killing grass roots football. Now its all diving and cheating and arguing with the ref (which never changes a decision) at least VAR and tighter rules on diving has helped a little but not enough for me to be interested again

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

If it reduces mistakes why does pgmol (stupid name) have to apologise every week?

It doesnt.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It's not reducing mistakes It's creating new ones.

Ummm, those two are entirely different things. You can reduce mistakes from 10 to 1, and create 1 new mistake. Overall, you are 8 mistakes better off.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Off side is a joke now, they seem to think if your off side your off side which clearly it isn't or the rules wouldn't need to be kept tampering with

What I cant make any sense of what your point is here.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Paul

It doesnt.

They apologised twice to Brigton in February alone and to Everton in the same month, a mistake that could cost them their place in the top league

Ummm, those two are entirely different things. You can reduce mistakes from 10 to 1, and create 1 new mistake. Overall, you are 8 mistakes better off.

If only it were only 1 mistake

What I cant make any sense of what your point is here.

What's the point of off side

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

I gave up on football when they removed the limit of foreign players on the pitch at any one time killing grass roots football. Now its all diving and cheating and arguing with the ref (which never changes a decision) at least VAR and tighter rules on diving has helped a little but not enough for me to be interested again

Football has not been a sport for many years. It is now a busines.

I lost interest years ago.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Football has not been a sport for many years. It is now a busines.

I lost interest years ago.

Premiership maybe, but how could you lose interest in Barry Town United F.C.? Top of the league !

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

They apologised twice to Brigton in February alone and to Everton in the same month, a mistake that could cost them their place in the top league

Twice in a month is not every week.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

If only it were only 1 mistake

Again, not really the point, the aim is less mistakes, no mistakes would be ideal, but unlikely.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

What's the point of off side

The point of specific football rules is not relevant to the use of VAR, but since you ask ...

First introduced in 1883 when the Football Association (FA), for the first time, formalised football rules, the offside was constructed to deter players from always lurking near the opposition goal to look for scoring opportunities.

[nffc]

Paul: I'm a tad surprised you think the refs/VAR is that good given what we have had to put up with over this season. Even tonight with that last minute pen which didn't seem to have any contact at all. Though when it's odd you never see the VAR checks...

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Paul

Twice in a month is not every
Again, not really the point, the aim is less mistakes, no mistakes would be ideal, but unlikely.

We were told it'd eliminate the errors refs make and that we'd have nothing to talk about down the pub anymore when the exact opposite is true, I doubt there is any true fan in the country that is happy with it.

Twice in a month, they never used to apologise at all, how bad is it now they actually have to come out and say sorry

The point of specific football rules is not relevant to the use of VAR, but since you ask ...

Exactly, that's my exact interpretation of the rule, not because someone's arm is ahead of a players body or because a player has bigger feet than someone elses, so now to tackle the ludicrousness they're drawing lines bigger on screens

Originally Posted by nffc

Paul: I'm a tad surprised you think the refs/VAR is that good given what we have had to put up with over this season.

Decisions have gone for us, and against us, but yes, Id rather have it, than not.
I can only think of one I thought was wrong, but the issue with handballs is they are still subjective (as are some fouls) VAR or otherwise.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Exactly, that's my exact interpretation of the rule, not because someone's arm is ahead of a players body or because a player has bigger feet than someone elses, so now to tackle the ludicrousness they're drawing lines bigger on screens

A rule is a rule, it doesnt matter if they are 3 mm offside or 3 meters offside.