EU moves to ban menthol cigarettes. Free Country?

adzii_nufc · 09-10-2013, 10:08

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...igarettes.html

This is a joke.

I don't even smoke but I can see this country's freedom being stripped away bit by bit. They also plan on imposing restrictions on Electronic cig's.
How? Simple, they'll ban anything cheap, start taxing the crap out of it and stop you buying quality stuff from online websites that's 100% cheaper than some shopping centre stall charging over the top.

The EU this and that, bollocks to the EU.

Osem · 09-10-2013, 10:32

I'd suggest having a cigarette to clam down but you don't smoke...

Agree totally about the EU BTW!

Stuart · 09-10-2013, 10:45

I don't necessarily agree you about the EU because while they generally are a pain in the ass, there have been several occasions (particularly over the last 20 years) where they have stepped in and stopped our own government doing things that are not necessarily good for us (for instance, the UK government was apparently happy to sit by and do nothing while Phorm, google etc were busy setting up equipment to monitor us until the EU intervened and threatened legal action).

However, the restrictions on Electronic cigs being discussed are designed to restrict advertising them to kids. Are you saying you want kids to be able to see the adverts? Bear in mind that smoking electronic cigs, while safer than smoking tobacco cigs is still not as safe as smoking nothing at all.

alferret · 09-10-2013, 10:51

This is one of the major flaws of the EU . Their overwhelming need to control everything that we do. Be it personal choice with smoking, drinking, drugs, movement across borders etc. Even the reclassification of e-cigs to a medicine so that they can control and tax that too.
Feck the EU and all their bigoted representatives.

09-10-2013, 10:53

After 2 world wars Germany rules Europe with politics anyone else see the irony

Oh and with help from the garlic eating surrender monkeys too

nomadking · 09-10-2013, 10:56

It is not simply a matter of whether a decision is right or wrong, it is about who has the right to make such decisions in a democratic and accountable system. At least within UK, Scotland, Wales, and NI are part of the same political arena, no matter how much they grumble about England. With the EU, do we know, or are a part of the political arena of the likes of France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Romania etc.

AbyssUnderground · 09-10-2013, 11:03

As a non smoker I think it's a horrible life destroying habit and should be made illegal. However, that's my opinion.

adzii_nufc · 09-10-2013, 11:13

Kids will smoke if they want regardless of how many different laws are brought in. There's enough counterfeit cig's rolling around this country that are cheaper than your standard 10 pack in the shop. I started in School and I bet a tonne of other people did too. So basically they hit the honest people and the kids continue to get their cig's from their local smoke house.

So really, let's ban School... Couldn't get any stupider right?

Internet Censorship flowing down our lines, EU passing whatever laws they fancy. MP's claiming petrol expenses for 100 yard journey's. There's no end to this madness.

This latest one is similar to the Opt in for adult content scheme, the rest of the country has to suffer because apparently Parents can't be trusted to tell their kids right from wrong. If it isn't our home government up to some crackpot scheme it's Rosie O'Donnel's wife over in Deutschland. That wasn't a hit at tories either before the loyal backing comes charging, I don't vote, I don't see the point, they're all the same villain with a different mask.

Sirius · 09-10-2013, 11:21

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Originally Posted by Stuart

However, the restrictions on Electronic cigs being discussed are designed to restrict advertising them to kids. Are you saying you want kids to be able to see the adverts? Bear in mind that smoking electronic cigs, while safer than smoking tobacco cigs is still not as safe as smoking nothing at all.

They wanted to make them classed as a medicine and then tax them to hell and back.

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

After 2 world wars Germany rules Europe with politics anyone else see the irony

Oh and with help from the garlic eating surrender monkeys too

nomadking · 09-10-2013, 11:24

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Originally Posted by Sirius

They wanted to make them classed as a medicine and then tax them to hell and back.

IIRC it's about eliminating variability in products and establishing standards so people have some of idea of what they are getting.

Sirius · 09-10-2013, 11:26

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Originally Posted by nomadking

IIRC it's about eliminating variability in products and establishing standards so people have some of idea of what they are getting.

However the Goverment and the EU dont want to dent the tax they get which E cigs are denting big time

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In 2009‐10, sales of tobacco products generated nearly £9bn ($14.6bn; 11bn euros) in taxes for the UK government, about 2% of all receipts from taxation, a government report said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24439474

I don't smoke but i will defend an adults right to chose. Something the EU does not like or want.

adzii_nufc · 09-10-2013, 11:27

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Originally Posted by nomadking

IIRC it's about eliminating variability in products and establishing standards so people have some of idea of what they are getting.

I can half understand that but at the same time, if people are too lazy to work it out for themselves then too bad. E-cig's are easy to use, easy to understand and easy to manufacture the liquid to the point you can do it yourself. If you were to buy the liquid off most internet sites (cheaper than any high street store) the seller would give you an exact list of the ingredients used. It's so simple because there's virtually nothing in it.

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I don't smoke but i will defend an adults right to chose. Something the EU does not like or want.

Yep, the sole purpose of my outbursts.

We all know what's coming next anyway. Toilet Seatbelts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnXLU326IdA

Taf · 09-10-2013, 11:41

When eCigs first appeared around here, it was in the Tesco Pharmacy, so I thought they must have a decent level of quality and safety.

But now I see most of them sold from Asian cheapo shops, and that makes me wonder how safe those are, if at all. So regulation and checks on quality are good in my mind, though that will probably cause a HUGE hike in price.

Pall Mall have just launched cigarettes which have a capsule in the filter: smoke as normal, or pop the capsule and get a "subtle (menthol) flavour". I wonder if this is to get around this new EU edict?

adzii_nufc · 09-10-2013, 11:47

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Originally Posted by Taf

When eCigs first appeared around here, it was in the Tesco Pharmacy, so I thought they must have a decent level of quality and safety.

But now I see most of them sold from Asian cheapo shops, and that makes me wonder how safe those are, if at all. So regulation and checks on quality are good in my mind, though that will probably cause a HUGE hike in price.

Pall Mall have just launched cigarettes which have a capsule in the filter: smoke as normal, or pop the capsule and get a "subtle (menthol) flavour". I wonder if this is to get around this new EU edict?

Lambert fresh burst have been around a while. same thing.

Gary L · 09-10-2013, 12:20

Money makes the world go round.
it's all about money.
people up there line their pockets with money.
we're all sheep.
we are under their control.
we can only surrender.

They want to ban pkts of 10. you can only buy pkts 20.
encouraging light smokers to increase their useage by smoking 20 instead of 10

they want to ban rolling tobacco being sold at 12.5g. and the minimum to be 20g.
which will no doubt be the price of the old 25g plus 47p.

all about maximum profit and sales. nothing else.