this is why the press needs regulating

[Chrysalis]

seems reporting on facts isnt the job of the media now, instead its to incite trouble.

http://politicsuk.eu/archives/14347
http://liberalconspiracy.org/2013/01...its-scrounger/

and the articles in question.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-benefits.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...oft-touch.html

Even briefly skimming the articles gives a big warning sign, if you discount the housing benefit and council tax benefit they are claiming she leads a luxury life on payments of under £80 a week.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

seems reporting on facts isnt the job of the media now, instead its to incite trouble.

http://politicsuk.eu/archives/14347
http://liberalconspiracy.org/2013/01...its-scrounger/

Of course these two particular links are going to be shining beacons of truth and not have their own agenda just like the Sun and the Fail.

For a lot of people any benefits non-UK residents get are too much and her own admittance that its far better than the benefits available in her homeland are sure to fuel the worries that people have over the amount of Romanians etc. that can come here from 1st Jan 2014 without any restriction.

[Chrysalis]

yes an actress conveniantly paid to say that will of course admit that

is the agenda now we have to compare ourselves to places with lesser treatment of people and not reporting on facts is the way forward.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Derek

For a lot of people any benefits non-UK residents get are too much nd are sure to fuel the worries that people have over the amount of Romanians etc. that can come here from 1st Jan 2014 without any restriction.

Ok this is going to pour petrol on the fire but why just say non-UK. People can come from anywhere as long as they work & do not draw on the taxes I pay. If they can find work why can`t others. Around we go

Originally Posted by Itshim

Ok this is going to pour petrol on the fire but why just say non-UK. People can come from anywhere as long as they work & do not draw on the taxes I pay. If they can find work why can`t others. Around we go

What about the ones who pay taxes too?

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

yes an actress conveniantly paid to say that will of course admit that

is the agenda now we have to compare ourselves to places with lesser treatment of people and not reporting on facts is the way forward.

and yet the sum of the benefits received is correct ,maybe the reporting is a little one sided as is common for the sun and mail and true to their political bias but that's what happens when people take the word of these type of stories at face value

[Chrysalis]

if I am reading his right, there is people here condoning the media lieing to push an agenda?

below link of someone who has worked it out as well, but advance warning is lots of bad language so dont watch if easily offended.

Sorry but if it needs a warning it isn't suitable for a family friendly forum - Derek

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

if I am reading his right, there is people here condoning the media lieing to push an agenda?

below link of someone who has worked it out as well, but advance warning is lots of bad language so dont watch if easily offended.

Sorry but if it needs a warning it isn't suitable for a family friendly forum - Derek

I don't condone the media lieing ,but lets face it it's not that far from the truth

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by martyh

and yet the sum of the benefits received is correct ,maybe the reporting is a little one sided as is common for the sun and mail and true to their political bias but that's what happens when people take the word of these type of stories at face value

the sum is irrelevant because things like housing benefit are based on the costs of the accomodation, its not cash in someone's pocket.

if someone on £80 a week can live a life of luxury, then surely someone on 24k a year the uk average must be living the life of royalty right?

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Originally Posted by martyh

I don't condone the media lieing ,but lets face it it's not that far from the truth

its a million miles away from the truth.

so you said you dont believe it but then say its not far from the truth. so obviously you do believe it. If it was close to the truth then surely they could find a legitimate situation to report as facts.

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simple question, who would be against the media been required to only report facts.

not allowed to post opinion in anything other where its specifically titled to be as such eg. a blog.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

the sum is irrelevant because things like housing benefit are based on the costs of the accomodation, its not cash in someone's pocket.

if someone on £80 a week can live a life of luxury, then surely someone on 24k a year the uk average must be living the life of royalty right?
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The sum is not irrelevant at all .The whole article is based around the benefits she gets .If she was living in private accommodation she would be getting the rent paid straight to her ,note the article says "fully furnished flat" local authorities don't provide furnished flats .She may be getting the rent paid straight to the landlord or she may be receiving it in her weekly pay out .Council tax rebate is another benefit she is in receipt of which does go straight to the authority ,but she is still in receipt of it .

its a million miles away from the truth.

so you said you dont believe it but then say its not far from the truth. so obviously you do believe it. If it was close to the truth then surely they could find a legitimate situation to report as facts.

That selective reading of yours still a problem then ,i didn't say i believed it or not ,i said ...,"maybe the reporting is a little one sided as is common for the sun and mail and true to their political bias" .
Your articles are just as guilty of misrepresenting the details to suit there own agenda

simple question, who would be against the media been required to only report facts.

You can't stop the media from reporting things in their own way as long as they don't break the law .If you don't like the political bent of a newspaper don't buy it

[Stuart]

The thing is, while I realise that those two papers lie (indeed, both have had to retract stories because of it), I am not sure I believe the blogs any more.

Why? Because while you can argue that newspaper regulation is pretty useless in this country (and I would agree), there is absolutely NO regulation of blogs. People can set up a blog saying anything and as long as they sound convincing, people will believe them. Look at the guy on youtube who claimed to have found a way to get infinite power out of a coiled extension cable just by plugging the plug into one of the sockets (and even produced video "evidence" of it). Some people believed him even though they KNOW it's physically impossible.

Originally Posted by Stuart

The thing is, while I realise that those two papers lie (indeed, both have had to retract stories because of it), I am not sure I believe the blogs any more.

Why? Because while you can argue that newspaper regulation is pretty useless in this country (and I would agree), there is absolutely NO regulation of blogs. People can set up a blog saying anything and as long as they sound convincing, people will believe them. Look at the guy on youtube who claimed to have found a way to get infinite power out of a coiled extension cable just by plugging the plug into one of the sockets (and even produced video "evidence" of it). Some people believed him even though they KNOW it's physically impossible.

Very true ,blogs such as the ones posted by Chrysalis to "prove" the lies of the papers are themselves just as guilty of being one sided and unrepresentative of the actual facts .In this case the woman in question is Lithuanian,is in receipt of benefits,and most likely cannot afford to take a job below a certain pay grade .She does appear to have a good life and by no means appears to be on the breadline ,possibly because she is the widow of a murdered Russian billionaire as claimed by some other bloggers

http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2013/01/...e-2502394.html

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Stuart

The thing is, while I realise that those two papers lie (indeed, both have had to retract stories because of it), I am not sure I believe the blogs any more.

Why? Because while you can argue that newspaper regulation is pretty useless in this country (and I would agree), there is absolutely NO regulation of blogs. People can set up a blog saying anything and as long as they sound convincing, people will believe them. Look at the guy on youtube who claimed to have found a way to get infinite power out of a coiled extension cable just by plugging the plug into one of the sockets (and even produced video "evidence" of it). Some people believed him even though they KNOW it's physically impossible.

Correct, but the difference is the amount of people that view blogs compared to headline stories.

The reason this story got caught is this lady has appeared in other news stories as well. She got recognised.

Other thing to bear in mind is good blogs have at least some evidence attached to them whilst modern story reporting in papers is generally factless completely or just sourced by a minister who himself is lieing.

The fact remains newspapers are publishing more and more stories that are without facts and getting away with it, they can highly manipulate the population. They also seem to conveniantly ignore certian things that should be reported, although thats a different subject to this post.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

simple question, who would be against the media been required to only report facts.

not allowed to post opinion in anything other where its specifically titled to be as such eg. a blog.

That's a question of such utter naivety as to be unanswerable as presented. Perhaps first of all we should establish what you would consider to satisfy a requirement to 'report facts'.

If I ran a story, for example, that simply reported that more than 700 people survived after their ocean liner struck an iceberg and sank in the north Atlantic, would that statement of pure fact qualify?

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Damien

What about the ones who pay taxes too?

Please read my post

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Originally Posted by Itshim

Ok this is going to pour petrol on the fire but why just say non-UK. People can come from anywhere as long as they work & do not draw on the taxes* I pay

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* If paying tax they are not drawing down my payments - pay a lot less I guess ,OK but still paying what is required of them - thats a whole new ball game !!