major donor to the Conservative Party proposed the dilution of workplace rights

[mertle]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-7593585.html

This very worrying development for sure.

If it was not for Lib/Dems for once they actually managed to block the move. Likely if Conservatives was alone would got it through unhibited.

Civil servants questioning things now we surely now have to have proper investigation what policies been interfered by whom.

Following the cash-for-access row, some civil servants are said to be worried about the involvement of a Tory donor in the Government's policy-making process. "It has raised eyebrows," said one Whitehall source.

You do realise this "news" is six months old.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15456585

btw, I look forward to you posting articles about Union leaders (who are major donors to the Labour Party) proposing things, and using their influence.....

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You do realise this "news" is six months old.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15456585

btw, I look forward to you posting articles about Union leaders (who are major donors to the Labour Party) proposing things, and using their influence.....

Sorry but you know that will NEVER happen. But hey any OLD news can be used when there is an agenda at stake

Speaking of recycling articles on "influence", I found this article on the Huff Post which was, imho, quite interesting....

Especially this bit

Three trade unions (GMB, Unison and Unite) had 75 per cent of the votes in the union section and each nominated and campaigned for Ed Miliband.

The report from the University of Bristol argues this meant the candidates did not have "equal and open access to the electorate" as the unions distributed ballots in a "partisan fashion".

Ed Miliband narrowly beat his brother David to the leadership in 2010. While David secured more votes from parliamentarians and party members, Ed had more support from the unions. In the end he won by a margin of only 0.65 per cent.

The report claims the unions unfairly "shaped campaigning" by restricting the availability of their membership lists to their nominee.

It notes that 49 per cent of voters followed their union’s recommendation when choosing who to vote for.

"The electorate was not fully informed; resources were not equalised; and ballots were not distributed in a neutral manner," it concludes.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You do realise this "news" is six months old.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15456585

btw, I look forward to you posting articles about Union leaders (who are major donors to the Labour Party) proposing things, and using their influence.....

Labour releasing the lists. I said will say it again till blue in the face I feel CURRUPTION RIFE in british politics all over.

THE WHOLE SORRY MESS POLITICS NEEDS CLEANING UP. I am getting to point I wont vote because there all the same dodgy freeloaders. I hope we get new party which worth voting for integrety. At present you be nuts to vote any leading parties.

It need one big investigation new regulations those caught banned for life of politics and jailed. I still dont know why cruddas not been arrested. Major fines for the parties and suspensions which might make them more careful who they recruit as MP's. Wondering if Party politics should be banned have all MP's all independant. That though would be very drastic measures but we should at least ban party voting in parliment. MP's should be freed from shackles not be banned from parties due to voting against bill.

At moment rightly over this vid Conservatives policies failed/got through should be scrutinised infact we should have independant investigation. If you want all policies over the years to see what influence was there too.

The article its linking a policy if it was not for lib/dems would found its self passed. Its about MAJOR DONOR setting NOW conservative policy.

Yes its old policy its also under light what gone on recent days valid information.

Even the Civil servants concerned.

Surely you must be concerned outside influence on policies. Surely your worried there maybe big issue of possible who pay the most can by a policy made for them.

How many policies been for these huge donors not good for the country.

I think there should be limits on donations (be they from businesses, individuals, or unions), and limits on election spending.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I think there should be limits on donations (be they from businesses, individuals, or unions), and limits on election spending.

I would agree entirely there. Though would argue it should be central funded donations. No more Party funds if you want to donate you donate to politics.

New image of politics should elude from parties and MP's.

I think many disalusioned with politics feel betrayed infact we could done without this scandal. Then again it might just make thinks alot better but we never learned from any of the cash for questions, peerage. cash for influence.

Why we never learn why MP's found involved dont get permenent banning orders.

We wont clean it up until MP's took to task parties punished.

Do we need regulatory body to sanction MP's, parties for indescressions. Investigate scandals act without being asked. So like in this case would swung full swing into action first thing monday.

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I think there should be limits on donations (be they from businesses, individuals, or unions), and limits on election spending.

There are...or at least there used to be.

Ed Millibands releases lists of donors he has had meetings with.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17564779

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Ed Millibands releases lists of donors he has had meetings with.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17564779

not fair beat me too it on another thread may as well put list here no if mods want remove post in the croddus sting thread please.

http://www.edmiliband.org/list-of-meetings-and-dinners-with-donors-and-trade-union-general

Ed Miliband: List of meetings and dinners with donors and trade union general secretaries from 25 September 2010 to date:
4 November 2010 – Nigel Doughty
7 December 2010 - John Hannett (USDAW)
15 December 2010 – Dave Prentis (Unison)
5 January 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE)
13 January 2011 – Paul Kenny (GMB)
17 January 2011 – Lord Bhattacharyya
2 February 2011 – Henry Tinsley (Betterworld Ltd)
3 February 2011 – Lord Alan Sugar
16 February 2011 – Kevin McGrath
3 March 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE), Paul Kenny (GMB), Dave Prentis (Unison)
9 March – Michael Leahy (Community)
24 March 2011 – Nigel Doughty – Breakfast at Ed Miliband’s home
29 March 2011 – Andrew Rosenfeld
29 March 2011 – Graham Jones
29 March 2011 – Lord Waheed Alli (BM Creative Management Ltd)
4 April 2011 –John Hannett (USDAW), Michael Leahy (Community), Len McCluskey (UNITE), Paul Kenny (GMB), Gerry Doherty (TSSA), Billy Hayes (CWU)– Dinner, House of Commons
26 April 2011 – Paul Kenny (GMB)
16 May 2011 –Len McCluskey (UNITE)
17 May 2011 – Ken Livingstone
20 June 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE)
27 June 2011 – John Hannett (USDAW)
28 June 2011 – George Guy (UCATT)
14 July 2011 – George Iacobescu (Canary Wharf plc)
14 July 2011 – Ken Livingstone
22 July 2011 – Andrew Rosenfeld
22 July 2011 – Paul Kenny (GMB)
25 July 2011 – Dave Prentis (Unison)
2 September 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE)
6 September 2011 – Nigel Doughty
13 September 2011 – John Hannett (USDAW)
20 September 2011 - Ken Livingstone
27 October 2011 – Andrew Rosenfeld
10 November 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE), Paul Kenny (GMB), Dave Prentis (UNISON)
19 November 2011 – Nigel Doughty – Dinner at Ed Miliband’s house
16 December 2011 – Andrew Rosenfeld
20 January 2012 – Andrew Rosenfeld – Dinner at Ed Miliband’s home
6 February 2012 – Len McCluskey (UNITE)
9 February 2012 – Dr Assem Allam
21 February 2012 – Dave Prentis (Unison)
1 March 2012 – Andrew Rosenfeld
7 March 2012 – Michael Leahy (Community)/John Hannett (USDAW)
14 March 2012 – Billy Hayes (CWU)
23 March 2012 - Ken Livingstone – Dinner at Ed Miliband’s home

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by mertle

not fair beat me too it on another thread may as well put list here no if mods want remove post in the croddus sting thread please.

http://www.edmiliband.org/list-of-meetings-and-dinners-with-donors-and-trade-union-general

Ed Miliband: List of meetings and dinners with donors and trade union general secretaries from 25 September 2010 to date:
4 November 2010 – Nigel Doughty
7 December 2010 - John Hannett (USDAW)
15 December 2010 – Dave Prentis (Unison)
5 January 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE)
13 January 2011 – Paul Kenny (GMB)
17 January 2011 – Lord Bhattacharyya
2 February 2011 – Henry Tinsley (Betterworld Ltd)
3 February 2011 – Lord Alan Sugar
16 February 2011 – Kevin McGrath
3 March 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE), Paul Kenny (GMB), Dave Prentis (Unison)
9 March – Michael Leahy (Community)
24 March 2011 – Nigel Doughty – Breakfast at Ed Miliband’s home
29 March 2011 – Andrew Rosenfeld
29 March 2011 – Graham Jones
29 March 2011 – Lord Waheed Alli (BM Creative Management Ltd)
4 April 2011 –John Hannett (USDAW), Michael Leahy (Community), Len McCluskey (UNITE), Paul Kenny (GMB), Gerry Doherty (TSSA), Billy Hayes (CWU)– Dinner, House of Commons
26 April 2011 – Paul Kenny (GMB)
16 May 2011 –Len McCluskey (UNITE)
17 May 2011 – Ken Livingstone
20 June 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE)
27 June 2011 – John Hannett (USDAW)
28 June 2011 – George Guy (UCATT)
14 July 2011 – George Iacobescu (Canary Wharf plc)
14 July 2011 – Ken Livingstone
22 July 2011 – Andrew Rosenfeld
22 July 2011 – Paul Kenny (GMB)
25 July 2011 – Dave Prentis (Unison)
2 September 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE)
6 September 2011 – Nigel Doughty
13 September 2011 – John Hannett (USDAW)
20 September 2011 - Ken Livingstone
27 October 2011 – Andrew Rosenfeld
10 November 2011 – Len McCluskey (UNITE), Paul Kenny (GMB), Dave Prentis (UNISON)
19 November 2011 – Nigel Doughty – Dinner at Ed Miliband’s house
16 December 2011 – Andrew Rosenfeld
20 January 2012 – Andrew Rosenfeld – Dinner at Ed Miliband’s home
6 February 2012 – Len McCluskey (UNITE)
9 February 2012 – Dr Assem Allam
21 February 2012 – Dave Prentis (Unison)
1 March 2012 – Andrew Rosenfeld
7 March 2012 – Michael Leahy (Community)/John Hannett (USDAW)
14 March 2012 – Billy Hayes (CWU)
23 March 2012 - Ken Livingstone – Dinner at Ed Miliband’s home

And as i posted in the other thread i wonder how much he will make for the Labour fund that will stay under the table from that lot ?

[Alan Fry]

Why do the Tories rich backers want to reduce our standard of living even further, they have massively weakened our unions and reduced wages and pensions in real terms

What we need is far more workers rights and far less regulation of unions, starting with the scraping of Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992

This also shows how much the Tories care about anyone who is not rich, honestly, I am starting to wish I was a Billionaire/Trillionaire

And for petes sake, can you end this rubbbish about how bad union influence is, unlike the wealthy who donate to Labour, Tories, Lib Dems and even UKIP, the unions represent 6.5 million working people

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Why do the Tories rich backers want to reduce our standard of living even further, they have massively weakened our unions and reduced wages and pensions in real terms

What we need is far more workers rights and far less regulation of unions, starting with the scraping of Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992

This also shows how much the Tories care about anyone who is not rich, honestly, I am starting to wish I was a Billionaire/Trillionaire

And for petes sake, can you end this rubbbish about how bad union influence is, unlike the wealthy who donate to Labour, Tories, Lib Dems and even UKIP, the unions represent 6.5 million working people

I am a trade union member. But I can still see that the unions used to have far too much power, and used to bring the economy to it's knees.

We don't want a situation like we had in the 70's, and they still have in USA now. As it is almost like 'Carry On at Your Convenience'. And the unions who were supposed to be protecting the workers, were actually putting the companies out of business, and losing their members their jobs.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Why do the Tories rich backers want to reduce our standard of living even further, they have massively weakened our unions and reduced wages and pensions in real terms

What we need is far more workers rights and far less regulation of unions, starting with the scraping of Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992

This also shows how much the Tories care about anyone who is not rich, honestly, I am starting to wish I was a Billionaire/Trillionaire

And for petes sake, can you end this rubbbish about how bad union influence is, unlike the wealthy who donate to Labour, Tories, Lib Dems and even UKIP, the unions represent 6.5 million working people

I have just looked and you have bumped loads of threads today and spammed them, Shocking absolutely Shocking

---------- Post added at 19:47 ---------- Previous post was at 19:43 ----------

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

I am a trade union member. But I can still see that the unions used to have far too much power, and used to bring the economy to it's knees.

We don't want a situation like we had in the 70's, and they still have in USA now. As it is almost like 'Carry On at Your Convenience'. And the unions who were supposed to be protecting the workers, were actually putting the companies out of business, and losing their members their jobs.

What will shock a lot of people on this forum is that i am now a paid up member of the CWU and intend to stay that way .

I realise now that the CWU are not the same bully boy union that the miners union was and the one i remember for what they did to members of my family back when the strike was at its height.

I agree with a lot of what the CWU are doing and feel i am best placed being a member in this present climate.

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I have just looked and you have bumped loads of threads today and spammed them, Shocking absolutely Shocking

Be fair. He has just come back after being suspended for a long time. So he is just continuing his rants where he left off a month ago