Serious Crime Prevention Orders ..

03-11-2011, 19:43

...good ,bad or useless .

Reading my local paper tonight i noticed that the first application for such an order in the NE has been granted by a judge .Are they workable ? or a bit like ASBO's ,a total waste of time .My own feelings are that the dealers will find other ways to sell their wares

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DRUG dealers jailed for flooding Tyneside with hundreds of thousands of pounds of cocaine will have strict restrictions on their lives when they get out.
Brothers Stephen and Anthony Goicoechea, along with associate Terrence Page, are some of the first crooks on Tyneside to be handed with Serious Crime Prevention Orders by a judge.
The measures imposed at Newcastle Crown Court bans them from engaging in any activities that may help them return to a life of crime after their release from prison.
Under the terms of the order all three of them will be banned from:
:: Having more than one mobile phone at any time, which must be registered with the police.
:: Possessing more than Â£500 cash.
:: Having more than one current account, savings account or credit card.
:: Using taxis to transfer goods or documents unless a third party is present other than the taxi driver.

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mertle · 03-11-2011, 20:15

I think we too soft on drug dealers argue they should get 10 years minimum. With good argument these should posibly get life how many died under there hands. Other countries much more harder.

The proceeds put in helping victims detox but feel those who already beyond help government sell them the drugs so they dont have to seek another replacement.

v0id · 03-11-2011, 20:32

Having two phones, two credit cards and more than Â£500 on your person means you're in organised crime?

papa smurf · 03-11-2011, 20:35

Under the terms of the order all three of them will be banned from:
:: Having more than one mobile phone at any time, which must be registered with the police.
:: Possessing more than Â£500 cash.
:: Having more than one current account, savings account or credit card.
:: Using taxis to transfer goods or documents unless a third party is present other than the taxi driver.

to be honest that sounds like the life of average joe smuck

most people don't carry large amounts of cash
only own 1 mobile phone
and can't afford Taxi's

Derek · 03-11-2011, 20:36

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Originally Posted by martyh

Reading my local paper tonight i noticed that the first application for such an order in the NE has been granted by a judge .Are they workable ? or a bit like ASBO's ,a total waste of time

Undecided. It is a decent enough way to work it up the dealers when they get out but there will be plenty of loopholes and I'm sure their lawyers are already planning a new boat shopping spree with the whacking great legal aid cheque they'll get to challenge the order on human rights grounds.

03-11-2011, 20:49

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Originally Posted by v0id

Having two phones, two credit cards and more than Â£500 on your person means you're in organised crime?

no ,but it can do ,and preventing dealers ect from having these things should in theory make it hard for them

danielf · 03-11-2011, 21:03

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Originally Posted by martyh

no ,but it can do ,and preventing dealers ect from having these things should in theory make it hard for them

Yeah, but not being allowed to take a taxi home from the supermarket?

03-11-2011, 21:10

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Originally Posted by danielf

Yeah, but not being allowed to take a taxi home from the supermarket?

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Using taxis to transfer goods or documents unless a third party is present other than the taxi driver

I would ask who the third party has to be ,obviously that part is supposed to make it hard to use taxis as transport to move drugs around or deliver to users which is very common.It's a start but on the face of it has more loop holes than a factory that makes loop holes

danielf · 03-11-2011, 21:14

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Originally Posted by martyh

I would ask who the third party has to be ,obviously that part is supposed to make it hard to use taxis as transport to move drugs around or deliver to users which is very common.It's a start but on the face of it has more loop holes than a factory that makes loop holes

If I was moving large amounts of drugs by taxi, I'd make sure I wasn't on my own. I'd bring a mate for protection, and to help me carry the drugs...

03-11-2011, 21:40

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Originally Posted by danielf

If I was moving large amounts of drugs by taxi, I'd make sure I wasn't on my own. I'd bring a mate for protection, and to help me carry the drugs...

so does the "pal"who is also a dealer count as a third party making the use of a taxi ok

similarly does taking your girlfriend with you count as a third party when delivering to a user via a taxi

Suppose the ofender decides to turn over a new leaf and gets a job ,that job comes with a company mobile does he/she turn down the job on the grounds that they are allowed only one mobile ,i suppose the answer is to get rid of their personal one ....que the lawyers to have a field day with that one .
At least the government is trying though (actually it was the labour government who introduced these in 2007)and anything that has the potential to reduce or hamper serious crime must be a good thing

mertle · 03-11-2011, 21:50

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Originally Posted by martyh

so does the "pal"who is also a dealer count as a third party making the use of a taxi ok

similarly does taking your girlfriend with you count as a third party when delivering to a user via a taxi

Suppose the ofender decides to turn over a new leaf and gets a job ,that job comes with a company mobile does he/she turn down the job on the grounds that they are allowed only one mobile ,i suppose the answer is to get rid of their personal one ....que the lawyers to have a field day with that one .
At least the government is trying though (actually it was the labour government who introduced these in 2007)and anything that has the potential to reduce or hamper serious crime must be a good thing

Sadly criminals already two steps ahead will always. Another is pay a stranger or basically force one adicts to help out.

Whats to say he cant give phone to another or register second phone to another.

You certainly would be not shocked he flount it wont get caught as simply found a way to continue without breaching these conditions.

Not sure it shows we tough remotely with serious crime another way pussyfooting. Most have foot soldiers it could be he even makes it look like turned new leaf but gets others to do the work.

Nugget · 04-11-2011, 10:52

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Originally Posted by v0id

Having two phones, two credit cards and more than Â£500 on your person means you're in organised crime?

I've got 2 out of 3 on me now...

Russ · 04-11-2011, 11:01

I might be missing the point here but if they're willing enough to break whichever law it is which prevents you from dealing drugs, what makes anyone think they'll obey these laws?

danielf · 04-11-2011, 11:07

IIRC they (3 people) were sentenced to a total of 25 years in prison. This is just a gentle reminder for the 5 years after that. They'll go straight back to prison if they take a taxi back from Tesco's without a companion.

Derek · 04-11-2011, 13:35

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Originally Posted by Russ

I might be missing the point here but if they're willing enough to break whichever law it is which prevents you from dealing drugs, what makes anyone think they'll obey these laws?

Well they won't. It just makes it easier for them to get convicted of breaking the order than of drug dealing. Or makes them go more hands on with the dealing rather than directing others.