BNP Accuses Royal Mail Of Dumping Leaflets

The Royal Mail is investigating claims that its staff have dumped far-right election leaflets "across Wales" instead of delivering them to households.
BNP chairman Nick Griffin has accused postal workers of dumping hundreds of leaflets at a single address and claims the party has "heavy reports" of widespread non-delivery of its election pamphlets.
"These have been dumped undelivered, likely across the whole of Wales," he told members in an email.
"Royal Mail [has dumped] 400 of our Welsh Local Assembly election leaflets in the back garden of one of our candidates," he claimed.

I know the BNP are not one of the main stream parties but they are a legitimate party and if this accusation is proved then the Royal Mail should be bought to book .

During previous election campaigns, some postal workers have refused to deliver BNP leaflets using a "conscience clause" in their contracts that allows them to reject literature they find offensive.

"conscience clause" what the hell is that all about ?.Apparently any posty can refuse to deliver mail he/she finds offensive and have done so in the past

In 2009 around 100 delivery staff in Bristol and Somerset refused to handle pamphlets with an anti-immigration message.

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[Sirius]

Originally Posted by martyh

I know the BNP are not one of the main stream parties but they are a legitimate party and if this accusation is proved then the Royal Mail should be bought to book .

Correct.

The BNP are a bunch of neanderthal racist scumy types but are unfortunately a legitimate party and should be allowed to do as other legitimate parties are allowed to do. If the Royal mail have done this then i think they will be paying out a lot of compensation and will have to explain why there staff have took it on themselves to do this.

The Royal Mail has legal obligations under the Representation of the People Act to deliver election material, meaning that in theory it would have to make alternative arrangements to deliver any leaflets its staff declined to deliver

Thier job and what they are paid for is the delivery of mail not to decide what is or isn't acceptable. If this is true there should be some very serious consequences for royal mail at the end of the day whats to stop an ardent labour,conservative or liberal postie deciding not to deliver the litreture of those partys they don't support.

Absolutely stupid that royal mail allows people to decide what part of their job they do and don't like and if any postie objects to anything that bad maybe being a postal worker is not the best job for them.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Thier job and what they are paid for is the delivery of mail not to decide what is or isn't acceptable. If this is true there should be some very serious consequences for royal mail at the end of the day whats to stop an ardent labour,conservative or liberal postie deciding not to deliver the litreture of those partys they don't support.

Absolutely stupid that royal mail allows people to decide what part of their job they do and don't like and if any postie objects to anything that bad maybe being a postal worker is not the best job for them.

Quite agree ,how many of us have the privelidge to decide what part of a job we do based on personal preference ?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Thier job and what they are paid for is the delivery of mail not to decide what is or isn't acceptable. If this is true there should be some very serious consequences for royal mail at the end of the day whats to stop an ardent labour,conservative or liberal postie deciding not to deliver the litreture of those partys they don't support.

Absolutely stupid that royal mail allows people to decide what part of their job they do and don't like and if any postie objects to anything that bad maybe being a postal worker is not the best job for them.

To be honest i don't like the Royal Mail. Of all the parcels i have delivered its nearly always those delivered by the Royal Mail that have been damaged, opened or just plain gone missing. There favorite trick is to just post a card through the door saying i was not in when i WAS. I have even opened the door as the postie put the card through much to his surprise and he then admitted he did not have the parcel with him. Very POOR level of service.

At the end of the day what gives a postman the right to decide what is and is not to be delivered. I feel they should SACK who ever has done this if proved to be true, However you can bet the union will be up in arms about it and will claim victimisation of one of its members

[Sparkle]

Originally Posted by Sirius

There favorite trick is to just post a card through the door saying i was not in when i WAS. I have even opened the door as the postie put the card through much to his surprise and he then admitted he did not have the parcel with him. Very POOR level of service.

This happens to me quite a lot too, in fact the saturday before last I was awaiting the doorbell to ring for a parcel but never did. Sly buggers dropped the red note through the outer slide door. The problem was that I didn't find it until nearly 3pm by which time the collection office was long closed, wasted my morning and early afternoon awaiting that parcel. I was furious and gave the guy behind the window an earful on Monday.

On an episode of a Scottish comedy show called "Chewin' the Fat", the incident you described happens, where the postie gets "caught" putting the red slip through the door but doesn't have the parcel. Hilarity ensues !

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Sparkle

On an episode of a Scottish comedy show called "Chewin' the Fat", the incident you described happens, where the postie gets "caught" putting the red slip through the door but doesn't have the parcel. Hilarity ensues !

He tried to say the parcels was to heavy so he decided to leave it at the sorting office, When i said it was a new fuel card and pointed out it was a registered letter he had NO answer other than "Take it up with the complaints line"

Personally, I would rather post dog turds though someone's door than the racist bile of the BNP. I can understand a postie not wanting to do it. Having said that, if there are official channels that allow them to object on grounds of conscience, there's no excuse for not using them.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Chris

Personally, I would rather post dog turds though someone's door than the racist bile of the BNP. I can understand a postie not wanting to do it. Having said that, if there are official channels that allow them to object on grounds of conscience, there's no excuse for not using them.

I agree.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Chris

Personally, I would rather post dog turds though someone's door than the racist bile of the BNP. I can understand a postie not wanting to do it. Having said that, if there are official channels that allow them to object on grounds of conscience, there's no excuse for not using them.

And therefor it begs the question Why did they not take that route and what stops the postman from deciding he will not deliver mail from a party he dislikes. All it would take is a postman who dislikes Labour or the Tories to say i don't like there leaflets so i have decided i will not be delivering them. I too think the BNP are a bunch of low life racists but they DO have the right to distribute leaflets as part of there election campaign.

Originally Posted by Sirius

And therefor it begs the question Why did they not take that route and what stops the postman from deciding he will not deliver mail from a party he dislikes.

don't the postmen get paid extra for delivering this type of mail ? this being the case i suspect it will be postmen dumping the leaflets and still claiming the extra money ,which opens a whole new can of worms regarding normal mail and lost letters

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Sirius

And therefor it begs the question Why did they not take that route and what stops the postman from deciding he will not deliver mail from a party he dislikes. All it would take is a postman who dislikes Labour or the Tories to say i don't like there leaflets so i have decided i will not be delivering them. I too think the BNP are a bunch of low life racists but they DO have the right to distribute leaflets as part of there election campaign.

Sirius, with all due respect, it would help if you took the time to research the conscience clause involved rather than getting over emotive and reactionary over the head of the poor service you've obviously received.

This is not simply unique to the BNP or political parties.

Devout Christian postpersons could, by way of example, refuse to deliver pro abortion leaflets.

Are you saying that people should be forced to distribute information to the masses on matters that they are idealogically or religiously opposed to?

Come off it.

EDIT.

Marty, where did you read that they get paid more for this type of delivery?

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Marty, where did you read that they get paid more for this type of delivery?

I was told by a postman friend i used to drink with a few years back ,i am researching that to see if it is still the case

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Sirius

And therefor it begs the question Why did they not take that route and what stops the postman from deciding he will not deliver mail from a party he dislikes. All it would take is a postman who dislikes Labour or the Tories to say i don't like there leaflets so i have decided i will not be delivering them. I too think the BNP are a bunch of low life racists but they DO have the right to distribute leaflets as part of there election campaign.

Let's not forget that for now it is just a claim, and it's being investigated. Whether there is any truth to the claim remains to be seen.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by martyh

I was told by a postman friend i used to drink with a few years back ,i am researching that to see if it is still the case

You're "researching" whether you are still drinking with a postman friend you used to drink with? Outstanding!

Pub chat - The worst type of dialogue to substantiate. It's also unhelpful to level accusations in such circumstances as I'm sure you'll agree.