"Rights" of illegal immigrants?

Taf · 10-01-2010, 18:16

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Pope Benedict XVI has called on Italians to respect the rights of illegal migrants.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8450657.stm

I've been branded a NAZI in another forum to dare to suggest that illegal immigrants should have no "rights" and thus should not be rounded up and protected, but rounded up, detained on a bread and water diet, then a swift expulsion from the country... along with any lawyers that get in the way.

Your thoughts?

Mr Angry · 10-01-2010, 18:20

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Originally Posted by Taf

Your thoughts?

I think you should return to the other forum to demand an apology and correct the assertions of those who labelled you a nazi.

Quite obviously the nazi view, as per the pope himself, is that their rights should be respected.

Russ · 10-01-2010, 18:32

All he's saying really is for the violence against the immigrants to stop - and that's no bad thing.

10-01-2010, 18:32

your statement and whats happening in italy just doesn't sit right with me .
firstly your statement seems to suggest that they should be treated as almost sub-human because they have entered a country illegally searching for a better life .
secondly ,in Italy the immigrants are brought in by organised crime and treated like slaves which is in no way correct .while i am not a liberal regarding illegal immigrants i still think they should treated as humans with all the rights that go with it

you should think yourself lucky you're British and don't have the problems that some some of the african nations have

punky · 10-01-2010, 18:50

Their human rights (protection from torture, right to a fair trial trial, etc) should be respected but not their civil rights (access to benefits, right to vote, etc).

I should imagine the Pope is talking about the former.

Arthurgray50@blu · 10-01-2010, 18:52

As far as l am concerned Illegals 'don't' deserve any rights, if they came into the country or any other country on the legal side, then fine.

What we have is the basic rights of people, I know that there are some people will prey on people who want a better life for themself and are prepared to pay thousands of pounds to get into 'a' country, then they can put that towards coming into that country on the side of the law, l watch so many docs, where border controls find illegals, in lorries (where the drivers get fined Â£5.000) stuck in plastic bags to avoid being detected etc.

These illegals might be human beings and should be treated as such, but 'rights' no.

10-01-2010, 18:56

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

As far as l am concerned Illegals 'don't' deserve any rights, if they came into the country or any other country on the legal side, then fine.

What we have is the basic rights of people, I know that there are some people will prey on people who want a better life for themself and are prepared to pay thousands of pounds to get into 'a' country, then they can put that towards coming into that country on the side of the law, l watch so many docs, where border controls find illegals, in lorries (where the drivers get fined Â£5.000) stuck in plastic bags to avoid being detected etc.

These illegals might be human beings and should be treated as such, but 'rights' no.

so what do you mean arthur ,on one hand you say they should be treated as human then you say no rights

webcrawler2050 · 10-01-2010, 19:27

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Originally Posted by Taf

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8450657.stm

I've been branded a NAZI in another forum to dare to suggest that illegal immigrants should have no "rights" and thus should not be rounded up and protected, but rounded up, detained on a bread and water diet, then a swift expulsion from the country... along with any lawyers that get in the way.

Your thoughts?

I'll agree with this. As immigrants, they have no rights what so ever. The simple clear cut rule, should be, hunt them down, kick em out. End of.

Arthurgray50@blu · 10-01-2010, 19:28

Hi Martyr, I believe ANY immagrant is treated with humanity, but to me, if they have entrered the country illegally, then they don't have 'rights' they do not deserve the benefits that country can give, ie in this country any illegal immagrant, is looked after and given benefits to live on and housing and are allowed into the country and are treated better than the people that live here legally.

If the illegals have found a way into the country by what ever means possible, they have to earn that right, by applying in the normal manner to gain legal passage in the country, not by the back door.

Russ · 10-01-2010, 19:30

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050

I'll agree with this. As immigrants, they have no rights what so ever.

What about the right to 'not get beaten up simply because they're immigrants"?

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050

The simple clear cut rule, should be, hunt them down, kick em out. End of.

In which case the comparison to Nazi Germany should not surprise you or anyone else with that sort of view.

webcrawler2050 · 10-01-2010, 19:32

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Originally Posted by Russ

What about the right to 'not get beaten up simply because they're immigrants"?

In which case the comparison to Nazi Germany should not surprise you or anyone else with that sort of view.

No, Russ, you misunderstand. I am talking about their rights, for example to get a "free house" & them sort of rights.

Russ · 10-01-2010, 19:34

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050

No, Russ, you misunderstand. I am talking about their rights, for example to get a "free house" & them sort of rights.

OK I apologise if I read you wrong but saying "they should have no rights whatsoever" makes it look like you're saying they should have no rights whatsoever.

**Hugh** · 10-01-2010, 19:34

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050

No, Russ, you misunderstand. I am talking about their rights, for example to get a "free house" & them sort of rights.

Strangely enough, if your read the OP article, you would see that was not the "rights" the Pope was talking about.

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The BBC's David Willey in Rome says many of the migrants from north and west Africa have been earning starvation wages as fruit and vegetable pickers - backbreaking work which Italians do not want.

The labour market is controlled by the local mafia, called the 'Ndrangheta, which is believed to employ ever growing numbers of illegal seasonal day labourers.

The workers live in sordid conditions and are paid very low wages, out of which they have to pay kickbacks to their bosses.

icestar2 · 10-01-2010, 19:34

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Originally Posted by punky

Their human rights (protection from torture, right to a fair trial trial, etc) should be respected but not their civil rights (access to benefits, right to vote, etc).

I should imagine the Pope is talking about the former.

While I usually keep out of these thread's because they normally end up going nowere with the same people arguing the same thing day in day out I do think Punky summed it up pretty well and seems to be the best level headed view I've heard on here.

Edit** were's Arthurs post of just "Hi" gone ? I admit it made me laugh

idi banashapan · 10-01-2010, 19:35

if they are in a country illegally, they should be treated like any other criminal according to that country's laws, which generally speaking, is to serve some kind of freedom-removing sentance. in the case of illegal immigrants, my view is that they should be detained without the freedom of the land they are in and deported at the earliest possible time to where they came from.

same goes for those who 'seek asylum' in this country. I doubt very much indeed that the UK was the first safe country they came to whilst running through Europe and crossing the seas to get here!