Government to put CCTV in your home

[SB_07]

£400 million ($668 million) will be spend on installing and monitoring CCTV cameras in the homes of private citizens. Why? To make sure the kids are doing their homework, going to bed early and eating their vegetables.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/...private-homes/

http://gizmodo.com/5328825/britain-p...their-homework

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...worst-families

Disgusting.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by SB_07

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/...private-homes/

http://gizmodo.com/5328825/britain-p...their-homework

Disgusting.

Ok where did i put that tinfoil hat.

[SOSAGES]

so basically the annoying family in ur street now gets monitored.
seems good to me.

Are they are giving their permission first ?

[ginge51]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Are they are giving their permission first ?

No doubt they will be paid and get protection from the police if these are installed in homes.
If it gets rid of nuisance scallys from the area and robbery's etc...
What's the problem?
I see none.
But if it goes further and starts interfering with ordinary peoples lives in some way or the other, i have a problem with that.
I.e...
Spying.
But upon reading more.
What would happen if say some parents let there kids out after 10pm and they get caught?
What would be there punishment?
No authority imo, should be allowed to say when and what can be out on such and such a time.
There stepping over the marks really with this.
Other then removing scally gangs, which is good.
Doesn't seem like a good idea in general.

[SB_07]

Originally Posted by ginge51

No doubt they will be paid and get protection from the police if these are installed in homes.
If it gets rid of nuisance scallys from the area and robbery's etc...
What's the problem?
I see none.
But if it goes further and starts interfering with ordinary peoples lives in some way or the other, i have a problem with that.
I.e...
Spying.

"ordinary people" ?

I'm sure this must be a breach of human rights to have CCTV installed in your PRIVATE home. If the government want to monitor them then put them in prison, just have to find a reason to do so

[glam_racket]

This is Wonder Gordon's plan to wipe out unemployment.

First it will be 'problem' families.

The program will be such a success it will be expanded to include everyone, that's where the clever bit comes in, you are assigned a person to watch for 12 hours a day, when your shift's over, they watch you for 12.

I should be in politics!

[v0id]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Are they are giving their permission first ?

It could be a condition of an ASBO or something that troublesome families are monitored

[ginge51]

Originally Posted by glam_racket

This is Wonder Gordon's plan to wipe out unemployment.

First it will be 'problem' families.

The program will be such a success it will be expanded to include everyone, that's where the clever bit comes in, you are assigned a person to watch for 12 hours a day, when your shift's over, they watch you for 12.

I should be in politics!

For all we know, you could well be Gorden Brown giving us a future glimpse of good ol England?

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Originally Posted by SB_07

"ordinary people" ?

I'm sure this must be a breach of human rights to have CCTV installed in your PRIVATE home. If the government want to monitor them then put them in prison, just have to find a reason to do so

In 'ordinary people', i mean people who don't give other people **** like them pikey chavvy mother fookers who are around to much these days.

The first two links get their story from the third link, which is, surprise, surprise, the Daily Diana.....

Here is the actual story, from the DCSF - strangely enough, nothing in there about "24-hour CCTV super-vision in their own homes"; even read the Youth Crime Action Plan, and can't find any mention of it there either.

For those wanting a bit of context, this announcement by Ed Balls seems to be tied to the publication of a document tracking progress against the UK Government's Youth Crime Action Plan, published just over a year ago. From what I can understand the 'sin bins' appear to be 'Family Intervention Projects'. These started to be set up in 2006 and are based on a famous project run by NCH, a childrens' charity, called the Dundee Families Project and running since 1995. The project works with families with significant involvement in crime or anti-social behaviour. Here is a bit more background, on what they provide:

- Residential Support via a core block, where up to three families can live. These are
families who have been excluded from local authority housing because of a history of anti-social behaviour. Staff have regular contacts with families on a daily basis and practically every aspect of family life comes under scrutiny. Inappropriate behaviour is challenged and also counterbalanced with support to encourage change. Parents are assisted in establishing routines and boundaries for children and their parenting style may be challenged.

- Community Based Support via dispersed tenancies. This is normally used as a transitional measure for families moving out of the core block, but may, in the right circumstances, be offered to families living in temporary accommodation, who have poor tenancy histories. Acceptance of a programme of support is a condition of occupancy. The eventual goal is to assist the family in re-settling, with a view to the tenancy becoming permanent.

- Outreach Support to families who are Dundee City Council tenants, and who are at risk
of losing their tenancy because of concerns about their behaviour. Methods used include: one-to-one work with parents and/or children; children’s groups; family group work; anger management; developing home-skills; parenting groups using established programmes; video work; tenancy workshops, focussing on responsibilities as well as rights. Referrals will also be made, where appropriate, to specialist services, such as drug alcohol or mental health services.

- Support Plans: all families have detailed support plans which are tailored to meet the needs of family members. Other agencies’ contributions are included, and the Project takes a central role in co-ordinating the support plan. This means that all – Project, family, and other agencies, are held accountable for their contribution. Support plans are reviewed and
adjusted on a six weekly basis.

I haven't yet figured out where the CCTV fits in.

[Cobbydaler]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

The first two links get their story from the third link, which is, surprise, surprise, the Daily Diana.....

Here is the actual story, from the DCSF - strangely enough, nothing in there about "24-hour CCTV super-vision in their own homes"; even read the Youth Crime Action Plan, and can't find any mention of it there either.

Agreed, scaremongering by the tabloids...

But anything from a .gov.uk website is government propaganda:

Home Secretary Alan Johnson said: “Today is an important milestone in our fight against youth crime. We have made real progress and early indicators show it is making a really positive difference to the lives of young people and communities across the country. “But we are not complacent. There is still much work to be done and looking ahead to the next year I am committed to ensuring our young people and communities are on the right track and our streets remain safe for everyone. �We know that the vast majority of young people recognise right from wrong and make a positive contribution to our society. There are a minority however who persist in anti-social behaviour and some in more serious criminal activity – their behaviour will not be tolerated.�

Blatant electioneering IMO...

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Ok where did i put that tinfoil hat.

Probably here

http://www.zazzle.com/apex_certified...86613854549873

If this though ever happened it would have to be via a court order and would probably only be used for problematic children and to enforce yet again a court social behaviour order

Social services departments are allowed to place adults in units known as "residential family centres" if they fear their children could be at risk of abuse or neglect. Staff assess the families in a controlled environment to determine whether their children should be taken into care.

The centres can use CCTV cameras as well as listening devices but Government regulations state that staff must "respect parents' and children's privacy".

From the Daily Telegraph. The rest of the article is here. I think it's a small step to using them in people's own homes.

Context is all - you missed out the part that admitted it was wrong....

"The couple were especially distressed by the use of the CCTV cameras in their bedroom during the night.
"With the help of a visiting neighbour, the couple successfully invoked their right to respect for private life.
"They explained that they did not want their intimacy to be monitored and that, besides, the baby slept in a separate nursery.
"As a result, the social services team agreed to switch off the cameras during the night so that the couple could enjoy their evenings together in privacy."

[TheDon]

Originally Posted by freezin

From the Daily Telegraph. The rest of the article is here. I think it's a small step to using them in people's own homes.

It's an assessment centre, to assess people's ability to look after their kids.

How exactly, are they meant to assess people if they can't see what they are doing? Having a social worker in there with them the entire time defeats the purpose of assessing how they cope on their own.