[Merged] Zimbabwe's farcical parliamentary election

Fascist dictator of Zimbabwe, mugabe, not content with naming his campaign against Tony Blair, getting the Zim army to run the polling stations, using donated food to presure people to vote for his party of gangsters is now flying around the country at the expense of the Zim air force giving out free laptops. In many areas of Zim: many kids are starving; schools are rotting to pieces; parents can't afford the school fees or uniform let alone pairs of shoes for their kids, electricity is a luxury as far most are concerned that's when it's available.

Laptops, in this most mentally ill mugabe's mind is all the peasants need! Please G_d don't let this man get away with it! We pray for a mass uprising to bring this creep and his gangsters to justice.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Gogogo

Fascist dictator of Zimbabwe, mugabe, not content with naming his campaign against Tony Blair, getting the Zim army to run the polling stations, using donated food to presure people to vote for his party of gangsters is now flying around the country at the expense of the Zim air force giving out free laptops. In many areas of Zim: many kids are starving; schools are rotting to pieces; parents can't afford the school fees or uniform let alone pairs of shoes for their kids, electricity is a luxury as far most are concerned that's when it's available.

Laptops, in this most mentally ill mugabe's mind is all the peasants need! Please G_d don't let this man get away with it! We pray for a mass uprising to bring this creep and his gangsters to justice.

He is a nasty piece of work, my dealing with memers of the opposing MDC party however showed they are not the innocent angels they like to portray.

If the MDC party ever get into power they will be upto very much the same, taking assets of Mugabe followers and using it to line their own pockets. I was involved with a black south african who spent most of her life in Zimbabwe, married to an MDC minister. The sweet little MDC supporter had land, a farm and other businesses that had been confiscated from the white people.

Dont believe all about the opposing party being any better!

Originally Posted by Escapee

He is a nasty piece of work, my dealing with memers of the opposing MDC party however showed they are not the innocent angels they like to portray.

If the MDC party ever get into power they will be upto very much the same, taking assets of Mugabe followers and using it to line their own pockets. I was involved with a black south african who spent most of her life in Zimbabwe, married to an MDC minister. The sweet little MDC supporter had land, a farm and other businesses that had been confiscated from the white people.

Dont believe all about the opposing party being any better!

MDC, I'm sure the point you raise is a possibilty as in any opposition movement the dregs of the old regime creep in, rats sinking ship, Kenya is an example of that. But the issue is that the povo, the people, have now no other choice and clearly wish for change, for food, for freedom, for peace and justice. Tsvangirai is all they have, I fear he and his advisors made dreadful mistakes especially in 2002 when the masses were taking to the streets Tsvangirai looked the other way just when the masses needed leadership, so yes I agree but it's all there is.

There is no MDC minister, shadow ministers yes, yes I know who you mean, agreed, opportunists turn up everywhere.

[Xaccers]

And the other african nations sit back and let it happen because they might want to do the same thing to their own countries one day

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Gogogo

MDC, I'm sure the point you raise is a possibilty as in any opposition movement the dregs of the old regime creep in, rats sinking ship, Kenya is an example of that. But the issue is that the povo, the people, have now no other choice and clearly wish for change, for food, for freedom, for peace and justice. Tsvangirai is all they have, I fear he and his advisors made dreadful mistakes especially in 2002 when the masses were taking to the streets Tsvangirai looked the other way just when the masses needed leadership, so yes I agree but it's all there is.

There is no MDC minister, shadow ministers yes, yes I know who you mean, agreed, opportunists turn up everywhere.

The husband was a minister with Mugabes government, She was a representative for the MDC in this country, and had been allocated quite a lot of land under Mugabe's rule.
(I actually think she is on the run from Mugabe.)

I agree that the MDC would be a better proposition for the masses than Mugabes mob, however after seeing and hearing the attitude of one of the MDC representatives first hand, and how she spoke of in her words "Common People" and "Chattering Masses" I would not be suprised if the MDC turned out to be a bad lot suppressing the peasants as well.

I would say that most African countries are the same, the divide between the wealthy and the poor is huge. The wealthy no matter what political side they take, will never let the poor get too much of a foothold or improve living standards.

This woman had been around politics all her life, her father was a Zulu who supported Nelson Mandela. Again Mandela is always spoken about as a nice person, and the press seems to brush aside his nasty criminal side.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

And the other african nations sit back and let it happen because they might want to do the same thing to their own countries one day

Agreed, certainly Mbeki has the potential.


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Originally Posted by Escapee

The husband was a minister with Mugabes government, She was a representative for the MDC in this country, and had been allocated quite a lot of land under Mugabe's rule.
(I actually think she is on the run from Mugabe.)

I agree that the MDC would be a better proposition for the masses than Mugabes mob, however after seeing and hearing the attitude of one of the MDC representatives first hand, and how she spoke of in her words "Common People" and "Chattering Masses" I would not be suprised if the MDC turned out to be a bad lot suppressing the peasants as well.

I would say that most African countries are the same, the divide between the wealthy and the poor is huge. The wealthy no matter what political side they take, will never let the poor get too much of a foothold or improve living standards.

This woman had been around politics all her life, her father was a Zulu who supported Nelson Mandela. Again Mandela is always spoken about as a nice person, and the press seems to brush aside his nasty criminal side.

OK, now I see the issue. mugabe's gangsters are zanu pf, zanu pf is the ruling party, as it calls itself! zanu pf ministers, army bosses, police chiefs, judges, senior civil servants and zanu pf gofors have been given stolen farms. These people are the thieves and scounderels.

One thing I left out though is that many MDC, the opposition party, leaders and activists have been tortured, beaten some murdered in the fight for democracy and justice.

Mandele did sometime ago express his anger in relation to mugabe's dictatorship and Desmond Tutu has also added continuous criticism. The South African ANC has failed to understand the issue in Zim, COSATU, the South African trade union federation has now added to protest and is blocking trade into Zim.

ZWNEWS

Zvakwana

Sokawnele

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Gogogo

Agreed, certainly Mbeki has the potential.


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OK, now I see the issue. mugabe's gangsters are zanu pf, zanu pf is the ruling party, as it calls itself! zanu pf ministers, army bosses, police chiefs, judges, senior civil servants and zanu pf gofors have been given stolen farms. These people are the thieves and scounderels.

One thing I left out though is that many MDC, the opposition party, leaders and activists have been tortured, beaten some murdered in the fight for democracy and justice.

Mandele did sometime ago express his anger in relation to mugabe's dictatorship and Desmond Tutu has also added continuous criticism. The South African ANC has failed to understand the issue in Zim, COSATU, the South African trade union federation has now added to protest and is blocking trade into Zim.

ZWNEWS

Zvakwana

Sokawnele

It's very difficult to get to the bottom of whats going on in these countries. The woman I was involved with, had brothers who were sponsored by Mandela and the ANC to attend university (one on Germany another in USA) to learn about arms technology whilst Mandea was still in prison.

I dont think any of these parties can be trusted, thats just the opinion I got from someone who's family had been involved in South African politics, and was herself involved in Zimbabwe politics.

PS. I do occassionaly look at Zimbabwe news on the BBC website, just to see whats going on and to see if I see any names I recognise.

Originally Posted by Escapee

It's very difficult to get to the bottom of whats going on in these countries. The woman I was involved with, had brothers who were sponsored by Mandela and the ANC to attend university (one on Germany another in USA) to learn about arms technology whilst Mandea was still in prison.

I dont think any of these parties can be trusted, thats just the opinion I got from someone who's family had been involved in South African politics, and was herself involved in Zimbabwe politics.

PS. I do occassionaly look at Zimbabwe news on the BBC website, just to see whats going on and to see if I see any names I recognise.

My wife & I have relatives and friends in Zim and we are in touch several times a week. Conditions are really dreadful, there is massive hunger, people are afraid for their lives, mugabe's terror regime has done its job. Even if the MDC won this weeks parliamentary election mugabe is unlikely to accept an MDC led government and will keep up his fascist rule. It is very sad that not one state in the southern African region will speak up for the long suffering people of Zim, the UK's response is disgracefully weak as it was during the Ndebele massacres in the 80s. Even if there was a mass uprising people like mbeki will probably send an army to assist mugabe, that's just how bad things are.

Still who knows sometimes events can develop rapidly given the right conditions as we have seen elsewhere recently.

[Paul K]

BBC News

UK journalists in Zimbabwe arrest
Two British journalists have been arrested in Zimbabwe on charges of covering the country's election without state accreditation, police have said.
Toby John Harden, 37, and Julian Paul Simmonds, 46, of the Sunday Telegraph were reportedly held while travelling with an opposition candidate.
The offence may incur a fine and up to two years in jail, said assistant police commissioner Wayne Bvudzijena.
Zimbabwe's rulers have barred many foreign journalists from the country.

Not as though they have anything to hide is it Banning free press from your country during an election is just a security precaution obviously

[punky]

Originally Posted by Paul

BBC News

Not as though they have anything to hide is it Banning free press from your country during an election is just a security precaution obviously

Oh it gets better... 200 women have been arrested for holding a vigil, and the elections are being monitored by.... Libya. Yes, the same Libya that doesn't have elections themselves, and South Africa, who have their tongue firmly up Mugabe's arse most of the time anyway.

I'd love Blair to actually sort him out, but of course, its not that simple, being as Mugabe is Jack Straw's mate and all.

Originally Posted by punky

I'd love Blair to actually sort him out, but of course, its not that simple, being as he is Jack Straw's mate and all.

So any bets on when mugabe is going to announce a landslide victory with a "strange" 125% turnout at the ballot box?

Originally Posted by Tuftus

So any bets on when mugabe is going to announce a landslide victory with a "strange" 125% turnout at the ballot box?

Mugabe has an amazing gift that eludes all other politicians, except for the IRA's political wing, he is able to persuade the dead to rise from their graves and vote for him.

The electoral roll is way out of date and in need of revision. I'm puzzled why the opposition bothered to contest the election given that the process is weighed totally in favour of mugabe's gangsters.


Sokwanele

[Reddevil63]

Originally Posted by Gogogo

My wife & I have relatives and friends in Zim and we are in touch several times a week. Conditions are really dreadful, there is massive hunger, people are afraid for their lives, mugabe's terror regime has done its job. Even if the MDC won this weeks parliamentary election mugabe is unlikely to accept an MDC led government and will keep up his fascist rule. It is very sad that not one state in the southern African region will speak up for the long suffering people of Zim, the UK's response is disgracefully weak as it was during the Ndebele massacres in the 80s. Even if there was a mass uprising people like mbeki will probably send an army to assist mugabe, that's just how bad things are.

Still who knows sometimes events can develop rapidly given the right conditions as we have seen elsewhere recently.

I lived in Zimbabwe from 1979 to 1993 and still remember the day that Mugabe came to power.

In the early days life was great and loved living there but as the years past things got worse and eventually decided to leave and return to the UK.

I still to this day keep interest on what is going on there and it doesn't surprise me one bit that he will still be in power.

South Africa could end this right now by shutting the border at Beitbridge but remain to let Mugabe get away with his dictatorship.

I remember the Ndebele massacres in the '80's very well as I was at boarding school in Bulawayo and at night could see and hear the RPG's being fired in the local township not that far from my school....had a day off school in one instance due to fears that the trouble could spread to the actual city.

Zimbabwe was once the 'jewel of Africa' but sadly that title is no more and as someone said today on the news, life was better 30 years ago when Ian Smith was in power and I totally agree.

Originally Posted by Reddevil63

I lived in Zimbabwe from 1979 to 1993 and still remember the day that Mugabe came to power.

In the early days life was great and loved living there but as the years past things got worse and eventually decided to leave and return to the UK.

I still to this day keep interest on what is going on there and it doesn't surprise me one bit that he will still be in power.

South Africa could end this right now by shutting the border at Beitbridge but remain to let Mugabe get away with his dictatorship.

I remember the Ndebele massacres in the '80's very well as I was at boarding school in Bulawayo and at night could see and hear the RPG's being fired in the local township not that far from my school....had a day off school in one instance due to fears that the trouble could spread to the actual city.

Zimbabwe was once the 'jewel of Africa' but sadly that title is no more and as someone said today on the news, life was better 30 years ago when Ian Smith was in power and I totally agree.

A tragedy, that this should happen in the country better known as the "jewel of Africa" now the ruin of Africa. Unfortunately, I suspect the opposition missed opportunities to challenge mugabe on the streets in 2000 and 2002. The MDC is politically weak, its leadership is poor, Tsvangirai is a joke. The only way to challenge mugabe is on the streets. Sadly, this is unlikely, people are just being grinded down, fear and hunger are weapons mugabe has used with impunity. This election was a fraud.


mugabe will now supposedly choose his successor and continue as before.