Is this what you want?

Russ · 17-03-2005, 12:24

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005122462,00.html

I really don't want to see scenes like this in Britain - so to the "string them up" types, what do you think about the above?

Do you want your children to see that sort of thing?

Dave Stones · 17-03-2005, 12:30

ahh, good old iran. (note, the second picture isn't printed in the sun). we watched lots and lots of videos of what goes on in Iran in my RS lessons at seconday school, yes lots of them involved people hanging from cranes, being whipped and stoned. that's what they do to people who flaunt the law over there...

personally i think that these things are best done behind closed doors than on massive cranes in the middle of a stadium

Pierre · 17-03-2005, 12:32

Well,

I agree with the lashings, but not with the stabbing or the hanging

I would have no objection to my child see a man get 100 lashes becuase after seeing it, It would be doubtful that he would put himself in a position to receive such a punishment.

It wasn't that long ago you could still get Birched in the I.O.M.

NitroNutter · 17-03-2005, 12:33

Personally id say sexuall abuse of children shud be nothing short of life per offence no chance of parole. At least then if the conviction falls down in the future becasue they were really innocent then they can be released.

What happens in Iran is just kinda extreme, especially as Id bet there was no fair trial etc

STONEISLAND · 17-03-2005, 12:35

You should see the pictures in the Daily Mail much more graphic.

And yes no harm in a good beatting for people like him. He wont do it again will he.

NitroNutter · 17-03-2005, 12:37

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Originally Posted by skunk4u

You should see the pictures in the Daily Mail much more graphic.

And yes no harm in a good beatting for people like him. He wont do it again will he.

judging by the pic of him hanging from a crane by the neck I doubt it

**Paul** · 17-03-2005, 12:39

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Originally Posted by skunk4u

He wont do it again will he.

Well since he's dead, probably not.

I don't see the point in flogging (and stabbing) him, then hanging him, surely just one or the other.

STONEISLAND · 17-03-2005, 12:52

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Originally Posted by Paul M

Well since he's dead, probably not.

I don't see the point in flogging (and stabbing) him, then hanging him, surely just one or the other.

I know I did read the article.

So you dont mind the flogging him?
And you dont mind the stabbing?
And you dont mind the hanging?

But all 3 is a bit ott?

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judging by the pic of him hanging from a crane by the neck I doubt it

Yes i know. That why i said it.

NitroNutter · 17-03-2005, 12:56

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Originally Posted by skunk4u

I know I did read the article.

So you dont mind the flogging him?
And you dont mind the stabbing?
And you dont mind the hanging?

But all 3 is a bit ott?

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Life with no parole and the slippiest soap known to man would be just as good tho and a damn slight more civil, just in case the conviction was incorrect

STONEISLAND · 17-03-2005, 13:03

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Originally Posted by NitroNutter

Life with no parole and the slippiest soap known to man would be just as good tho and a damn slight more civil, just in case the conviction was incorrect

Yes agree to a point. I dont think we need to go into the soap and shower thing eh?

**Paul** · 17-03-2005, 13:08

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Originally Posted by skunk4u

So you dont mind the flogging him?

No.

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Originally Posted by skunk4u

And you dont mind the stabbing?

I don't see the point of it.

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Originally Posted by skunk4u

And you dont mind the hanging?

No.

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Originally Posted by skunk4u

But all 3 is a bit ott?

Yes. If his punishment is to be hanged, then why flog and stab him first. In fact, why did they stab him at all ?.

17-03-2005, 13:14

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Originally Posted by NitroNutter

Life with no parole and the slippiest soap known to man would be just as good tho and a damn slight more civil, just in case the conviction was incorrect

I can sometimes see why people would call for the death penalty - some crimes are so truly horrific that sometimes I tend to think so too.
However, these calls for the ultimate penalty seem more often to be based on the nature of the crime, rather than the nature of the conviction. Of course some would argue that even incontrovertible may not be enough.

But, if you're going to do it, then you have to be prepared to do it in public - not only because otherwise it becomes a tool of the state, but also because any deterrent effect is completely lost.

That said, considering the case we're talking of is a country where they have no compunction about this kind of thing and where justice is presumed to be less than blind, it would appear that it obviously doesn't deter as much as one might hope. Unless, of course, you want to argue that possibly the man hadn't done anything like it at all, and it was just a malicious prosecution.

On balance, it would seem that not having the death sentence certainly avoids the potential abuses of the system. However, it also means that a jury doesn't have to struggle quite as hard for a guilty verdict.
When I see the evidence in some of those rough justice cases, I wonder how they ever arrived at a guilty verdict. It also bothers me that in many of these cases because new evidence is hard or nigh impossible to find it can take way too long for an appeal to be heard.

So just because we don't have the death sentence, doesn't mean that people aren't destroyed by the legal system - if you're finally found innocent after 10 years or so there is no adequate compensation for what has been done to the person, and often the life they had is gone forever.
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Yes. If his punishment is to be hanged, then why flog and stab him first. In fact, why did they stab him at all ?.

Revenge. Pure and simple. (It was the brother of one of the victims that did that.)

Seems that wasn't part of the punishment, as such:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/17/in...st/17iran.html
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gooner4life · 17-03-2005, 13:18

I personally would love this sort of punishment to be dished out in Britain, I just wouldnt subject my child to viewing it, it was no less than the animal deserved, infact it was probably too quick a death for him.

paulyoung666 · 17-03-2005, 13:19

as i idly wonder what the crime rate is in iran , good enough for him i say , extreme but good enough for him , would i want it in this country , probably not , but maybe just the threat of it would be good enough

17-03-2005, 13:23

In answer to the question, no. The taking of another's life - particularly in such a gruesome way - by the State cannot to my mind be justified. We just become animals too.

I'm pretty disgusted that the Press thinks it's acceptable to publish such graphic pictures too.