Israel's losing the plot

[Mark W]

Idly wonders why israel can get away with discrimination like this which would cause global outrage if tried by any other country?.....

will it be too long before they emulate the ways of the nazis last century, or rather, will any nation raise a hand in protest if they did??

Originally posted by Mark W
Idly wonders why israel can get away with discrimination like this which would cause global outrage if tried by any other country?.....

will it be too long before they emulate the ways of the nazis last century, or rather, will any nation raise a hand in protest if they did??

I can't answer your first question, Mark - although I do take your point, I can see how this might be exploited?

On your next 2 questions, I watched a Ray Mears "survival where-ever" program last night - he was in Belarus. He made a big point of highlighting the atrocities carried out by the nazis during the second world war - against the Russian Jews & interviewed some of the Partisan survivors. I sat here & cried with them!

I hope those mistakes are never made by man again. I would like to hope that, should Israel attempt them, the nations of the world WOULD raise a hand. - whatever "side" you are on?

Gaz

[Ramrod]

I am of Latvian descent. My people have had a long history of persecuting Jews, as have most of the peoples of Europe (for at least a millenia) ....including the English (the word for it is 'pogrom').
The Jewish state has had a long struggle to establish and defend itself againsy enemies from literally all sides. I think that they are justified a big degree of paranoia.

[Jerrek]

Idly wonders why israel can get away with discrimination like this which would cause global outrage if tried by any other country?.....

Really. Where is the outrage that it is illegal for Malaysians to marry an Israeli citizen? Where is the outrage that it is illegal for a Lybian to marry an Israeli citizen?

[Xaccers]

Israel lost the plot years ago.

[The Diplomat]

Question: Which country alone in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?
Answer: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections?
Answer: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East seized the sovereign territory of other nations by military force and continues to occupy it in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions?
Answer: Israel.

Q: Which country in the Middle East routinely violates the international borders of another sovereign state with warplanes and artillery and naval gunfire?
Answer: Israel.

Q: What American ally in the Middle East has for years sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies (a practice sometimes called exporting terrorism)?
Answer: Israel.

Q: In which country in the Middle East have high-ranking military officers admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed?
Answer: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war?
Answer: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East created 762,000 refugees and refuses to allow them to return to their homes, farms and businesses?
Answer: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to pay compensation to people whose land, bank accounts and businesses it confiscated?
Answer: Israel.

Q: In what country in the MiddleEast was a high-ranking United Nations diplomat assassinated?
Answer: Israel.

Q: In what country in the Middle East did the man who ordered the assassination of a high-ranking U.N. diplomat become prime minister?
Answer: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship, the USS Liberty, in international waters, killing 34 and wounding 171 American sailors?
Answer: Israel.

Q: What country in the Middle East employed a spy, Jonathan Pollard, to steal classified documents and then gave some of them to the Soviet Union?
Answer: Israel.

Q: What country at first denied any official connection to Pollard, then voted to make him a citizen and has continuously demanded that the American president grant Pollard a full pardon?
Answer: Israel.

Q. What Middle East country allows American Jewish murderers to flee to its country to escape punishment in the United States and refuses to extradite them once in their custody?
Answer: Israel

Q. What Middle East country preaches against hate yet builds a shrine and a memorial for a murderer who killed 29 Palestinians while they prayed in their Mosque?
Answer: Israel

Q: What country on Planet Earth has the second most powerful lobby in the United States, according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders?
Answer: Israel.

Q. Which country in the Middle East deliberately targeted a U.N. Refugee Camp in Qana, Lebanon and killed 103 innocent men, women, and especially children?
Answer: Israel

Q: Which country in the Middle East is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. vetoes?
Answer: Israel.

Q. Which country in the Middle East receives more than one-thind of all U.S. aid yet is the 16th richest country in the world?
Answer: Israel

Q. Which country in the Middle East receives U.S. weapons for free and then sells the technology to the Republic of China even at the objections of the U.S.?
Answer: Israel

Q. Which country in the Middle East routinely insults the American people by having its Prime Minister address the United States Congress and lecturing them like children on why they have no right to reduce foreign aid?
Answer: Israel

Q. Which country in the Middle East had its Prime Minister announce to his staff not to worry about what the United States says because " We control America?"
Answer: Israel

Q. What country in the Middle East was cited by Amnesty International for demolishing more than 4000 innocent Palestinian homes as a means of ethnic cleansing.
Answer: Israel

Q. Which country in the Middle East has just recently used a weapon of mass destruction, a one-ton smart bomb, dropping it in the center of a highly populated area killing 15 civilians including 9 children?
Answer: Israel

Q. Which country in the Middle East routinely kills young Palestinian children for no reason other than throwing stones at armored vehichles, bulldozers, or tanks?
Answer: Israel

Q. Which country in the Middle East signed the Oslo Accords promising to halt any new Jewish Settlement construction, but instead, has built more than 270 new settlements since the signing?
Answer: Israel

Q. Which country in the Middle East has assassinated more than 100 political officials of its opponent in the last 2 years while killing hundreds of civilians in the process, including dozens of children?
Answer: Israel

Q.. Which country in the Middle East regularly violates the Geneva Convention by imposing collective punishment on entire towns, villages, and camps, for the acts of a few, and even goes as far as demolishing entire villages while people are still in their homes?
Answer: Israel

QED

[Mark W]

Originally posted by Ramrod
I am of Latvian descent. My people have had a long history of persecuting Jews, as have most of the peoples of Europe (for at least a millenia) ....including the English (the word for it is 'pogrom').
The Jewish state has had a long struggle to establish and defend itself againsy enemies from literally all sides. I think that they are justified a big degree of paranoia.

im sorry.....why do people seem to think that that makes it ok for them to treat others in the same way?

as for enemies on all sides - there are not many countries that can boast invading just about ALL their neighbours.....and those that did dont seem to be remembered fondly for doing so.....

paranoia is one thing.....building security fences to subdue a race of people, forbidding marriages between races, oh and lets not forget THEY were the ones that broke the ceasefire.....think that takes 'paranioa' a bit far perhaps??

[Ramrod]

Originally posted by Mark W
im sorry.....why do people seem to think that that makes it ok for them to treat others in the same way?

as for enemies on all sides - there are not many countries that can boast invading just about ALL their neighbours.....and those that did dont seem to be remembered fondly for doing so.....

paranoia is one thing.....building security fences to subdue a race of people, forbidding marriages between races, oh and lets not forget THEY were the ones that broke the ceasefire.....think that takes 'paranioa' a bit far perhaps??

I am not condoning all their acts but I can see where they are coming from

[Mark W]

Originally posted by Ramrod
I am not condoning all their acts but I can see where they are coming from

out of interest, what do you see from the palestinians point of view?......or, should i say (to force you off the fence ) whos side has the moral high ground in your eyes?

[Ramrod]

Originally posted by Mark W
out of interest, what do you see from the palestinians point of view?......or, should i say (to force you off the fence ) whos side has the moral high ground in your eyes?

Ha! .....neither
of interest

[Xaccers]

Dissagreeing with the Israeli gov's actions does not make you anti-jew (despite the Israeli gov's claims to the contrary).
I am appauled at Israeli's actions since it's creation, as considering what the Jews went through with WW2 etc they of all people should know how to treat others.
I am also appauled at the palestinian terrorists.

Israel is actually a false state anyway, didnt the UN set it up in 1947 or something?
Sure that British troops had somethign to do with the place.

Anyway I am sick of hearing that we should pity the jews because of the holocaust, well I'm sorry I wont pity any people that are capapble of as much bloodshed as the israelis are.
What are they trying to achieve? their own holocaust using the palestinians? After all they stole a lot of land form palestine and now refuse to acknowledge the palestinian state.

It sucks and the US has a lot to answer for. Soon enough the rest of the middle east are going to attack Israel and if they retaliate using nuclear weapons then the US must act accordingly (and nuke Israel).
Whats Israel going to do when the US has to withdraw its support because of the acts of terrorism Israel carries out? They will panick because the whole middle east hates them its horryfying to think about it, but they will be massacred.

I blame the palestinians. Why simple every bloody time some progress is made on peice what happens. The palestinians send another sucicide bomber out to kill yep more innocent people. You see this all the time. They don't wont peice. I'd have had enough by now muyself and moved them all out and its sorted them let them kill people in their neighors country's instead. The same countrys that are helping them to do this

[TigaSefi]

Originally posted by Defiant
I blame the palestinians. Why simple every bloody time some progress is made on peice what happens. The palestinians send another sucicide bomber out to kill yep more innocent people. You see this all the time. They don't wont peice. I'd have had enough by now muyself and moved them all out and its sorted them let them kill people in their neighors country's instead. The same countrys that are helping them to do this

Simplistic view of a vastly complicated situation but yes that exactly what happening. They (palestinians) send in suicide bombers and we (Israelis - I am one) go and get the "head honcho". The man who instigated the attacks as such the recents ones and they don't give themselves easily so either escape or end up dead. And palestinians make it look like Israel's fault somehow completely ignoring the recent suicides attacks.

It gonna be like this for a long time till palestinians stop sending in suicide bombers fuelled by blood money from other arabs states who should keep their noses out of our business.

And I don't agree with the new fence Israel are building because it gonna cause land arguments ie this is mine and this is yours etc. Childish bickering that casuses lives to be lost. Strange the Hezbollah also attacks from the north whenever Peace seems to be on the horizon and Syria and Lebanon get a rebuttal to keep out of it. it like saying "Hey don't forget us, we want something out of this too". Erm no, you are terrorist groups so you are entitled to zip.

[Mark W]

Originally posted by TigaSefi
Simplistic view of a vastly complicated situation but yes that exactly what happening. They (palestinians) send in suicide bombers and we (Israelis - I am one) go and get the "head honcho". The man who instigated the attacks as such the recents ones and they don't give themselves easily so either escape or end up dead. And palestinians make it look like Israel's fault somehow completely ignoring the recent suicides attacks.

ohhh....right o....that last ceasefire then? who broke that? in fact, after the militant groups turned 20 years of saying they are gonna kill israelis around and declared a ceasefire to give the peace process a chance, was it not israel who said "big deal, we are gonna keep on killing you anyway"? some effort towards peace that is.
As for suicide attacks......im sure if the palastinians were getting 3 billion dollars in military aid from one of those meddiling countries like isreal does, im sure they would be fighting for the homeland in a rather different way

It gonna be like this for a long time till palestinians stop sending in suicide bombers fuelled by blood money from other arabs states who should keep their noses out of our business.

as above.....arab states helping the palastinians defend themselves and its called blood money....the us gives israel an infintitly larger sum of money to subdue the palastinians with military might, and its called keeping the status quo....

And I don't agree with the new fence Israel are building because it gonna cause land arguments ie this is mine and this is yours etc. Childish bickering that casuses lives to be lost.

i agree with you to an extent - but if you were a farmer, and someone decided you wernt allowed to get to, and therefore use half of your land, i doubt youd appreciate your argument about it being called 'childish'....

Strange the Hezbollah also attacks from the north whenever Peace seems to be on the horizon and Syria and Lebanon get a rebuttal to keep out of it. it like saying "Hey don't forget us, we want something out of this too". Erm no, you are terrorist groups so you are entitled to zip.

ummm, no actually. If you read the news, the hezbollah fired antiaircraft fire - that landed in northern israel.
The were firing at israeli warplanes that think nothing violating the soverign airspace of another country........

you are an israeli TigaSefi, that do you feel about the points raised by the diplomat earlier.....or are they all ok by you?