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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Nope. Its we who left the EU and not the other way round. We knew what we voted for, that is unless our name was Iain Duncan Smith.

1. They're happy to accept a phased withdrawal from British waters, not a sudden one that would lead to livelihoods being lost overnight. 2/3 of fish UK fishermen catch is sold to the EU so a no-deal Brexit would result in many of our own fishermen losing their livelihoods too.

2. We lost our competitivity when we said we would leave the EEA. Now, our manufacturers have to battle with increased red tape. The EU just wants to stop unfair state socialist subsidies such as those favoured by the terrible two Cs - Corbyn and Cummings. Canada signed up to this for its trade deal and I encourage the UK to step up and do the same.

3. Any agreement needs to be enforceable. If you've got an established means in place then it makes sense to use it and start building costly alternatives.

What I've highlighted is the fundamental difference between Remainers and the rest of the population. We cannot divorce the reasons of the majority of voters who supported Brexit from the expectation that we will control our own affairs.

You, and Remainers on the other hand, do not accept that a sovereign UK should be fully in control of its laws, waters and behaviours. And you Remainers seem to dodge addressing this aspect, possibly for fear of being accused of being happy to let the EU govern us in part.

1. They're happy to accept a phased withdrawal from British waters, not a sudden one that would lead to livelihoods being lost overnight. 2/3 of fish UK fishermen catch is sold to the EU so a no-deal Brexit would result in many of our own fishermen losing their livelihoods too.

I'm sure a phased withdrawal would be acceptable - but where has that been published? Au contraire, see https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-to-uk-waters - they want our cake.

2. We lost our competitivity when we said we would leave the EEA. Now, our manufacturers have to battle with increased red tape. The EU just wants to stop unfair state socialist subsidies such as those favoured by the terrible two Cs - Corbyn and Cummings. Canada signed up to this for its trade deal and I encourage the UK to step up and do the same.

Why are you are you siding with the EU? You pray in aid to your argument the CETA treaty. I might stand corrected, but from my research (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compre...perty%20rights.) CETA's level playing field only extends to intellectual property rights. If you are wrong, where does that leave your argument?

3. Any agreement needs to be enforceable. If you've got an established means in place then it makes sense to use it and start building costly alternatives.

What? What does that mean, especially in the cake-and-it-it context?

I'm really disappointed as you normally have something sensible to put forward.