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Originally Posted by jfman
On point 1: Once legally out, ending freedom of movement, there’s no way back in without rejoining. Rebate gone. Euro. The full bhuna. We are never going to vote for that in a referendum or a party advocating that at a general election.
On point 2 a genuine customs union would have exit arrangements for Great Britain (but not Northern Ireland). A small price to pay, but that’s why we are where we are. Unless you want to deliver a united Ireland this is how Brexit has to work.
On point 3 would depend how closely our arrangements matched Turkey’s.
On point 4 not “everything” would be set by the EU. We can strike separate trade deals on services, which is more lucrative anyway, and common standards facilitates our trade in goods with the EU countries (which account for most of our trade) anyway.
You appear to simply dislike things because they are European. A more pragmatic approach can deliver Britain the Brexit it wants in a phased approach. There’s no need for an “all or nothing” now approach, indeed an approach that is putting Brexit at risk from remainers.
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Basically I dislike being told what to do by Europe, when we don't really have a say. Nothing wrong with adopting the same or similar rules as the EU if we agree with them, but at the same time we should be able to have differences in standards which might mean refusing certain EU products/produce.
We voted for Leave in the referendum, but have we got it or are we even remotely going to get it? Therefore moving away from Brexit is NOT a foregone conclusion in the future even with having a say on it. Just look at what a potential Labour government wants. If in the mythical world we got a vote, it would be ignored if it went the "wrong" way, as it is now.
The backstop IS a customs union until the EU decides upon an alternative agreement. Why would they agree bother to agree to anything less than that, when they aren't prepared to agree to it now?
The proposals that would remove customs delays have been TURNED DOWN by the EU. Not coincidentally that would also have removed the need for a backstop, which is why the EU objected to it.
The EU is just going to get bigger and bigger in many ways. In the countries it includes and areas that it controls. Once locked into any agreement with the EU, locks you into whatever the EU becomes. An obvious example of that is joining the EEC and what it has now become. The EU is in full control of what you are locked into.
No way would any arrangement be allowed to be more restrictive in nature. A general customs union wouldn't be able to be more selective/restrictive. It only works if you agree to ADD something, not take something away.