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Originally Posted by jonbxx
Do you think something better than TTIP is possible if we go alone?
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Better for the United States, definitely. For the UK, debatable.
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*Sigh*
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/e...-divorce-terms
This is not helpful. It is not the European Parliament's place to make this decision, it is down to the European Council.
The timing of this is provocative and the entire exercise pointless.
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Originally Posted by Osem
And is that any different within the EU? The EU is far more antagonistic towards the US than the UK is so if things get bad with the Americans the EU is going to suffer just as much if not more than we are.
The 'deal' we currently have have with the EU as a member is far more favourable to them than us in various ways which is why we voted to leave.
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On the first point - exactly. The EU can retaliate against the US more effectively than the UK alone can, so they would be far less willing to engage in anti-competitive trade practices with it.
On the second point it's absurd to suggest that most people made the decision based on that. As I've written a whole bunch of times there is a really good reason why the economy didn't feature highly in either Vote Leave or Leave.EU's campaigns. However often people repeat that even most of the vote either way was from well informed people who weighed up the evidence and made sober, fact-based decisions based on the likely future either way it doesn't make it any more factual. Pretty much no-one was adequately informed or in a position to make a completely educated decision.
The economic impact, at least, of EU membership is, going by the middle of the line consensus, an economic advantage to both EU
and UK. If this were not the case I'm pretty sure we'd have heard a lot more about this and a lot less about sovereignty, immigration and 350 million a week from the Leave campaign. The slogan was 'Vote Leave, take control' not 'Vote Leave and the UK will be wealthier.'.
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In a slightly different point good grief, Dan Hannan really has gone off the deep end. I genuinely can't believe I used to take this man seriously. He's a moron, a liar, or both.
The tariff is on finished aircraft from Bombardier. As in Bombardier, Quebec, Canada. As in Canada, member of NAFTA, North American Free Trade Agreement, along with the USA and Mexico, an agreement considerably deeper and more encompassing than a basic FTA.