[Chloé Palmas]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You are resorting to denial again. Of course the criminal is the focus. The type of weapon he/she uses is also the focus. The massacre in Vegas would not have been possible without the legal procurement of the AR-15 and the like. Try killing/injuring 800+ long range from the 32nd floor of a high rise with a shotgun.

The hijackers on September 11th killed almost 3000, using planes...are you seriously advocating that the weapon along with the criminal should be banned?

Odd, the terrorists are dead, we still use commercial aviation...see how the system works?

Like Hugh said though reasonable security and safety measures are totally fine, like for example enhanced measures by the TSA / DHS etc...you don't ban the plane though / the entire method of transportation.

Really, arbitrary set?

arbitrary: "based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system."

So what else are you basing this on, other than some whimsical notion to ban guns?

BTW, bump stops can be used to simulate fully automatic mode for semi-automatic types. Yes, a new law is proposed to ban these but given the wide option on procurement home & abroad plus the near-future option on using 3D printers to make them at home, the ban would be ineffective.

Bump stocks, not bump stops. A new law is not necessarily needed to stop the proliferation of bump stocks being used as an accelerator for more rapid re-fire - it can be done easily through existing regulation. Also it modifies a gun so there may be a way of stopping the use through the fact that it amends the intellectual property of the manufacturer.

I have not been clear obviously. Let me try again: semi-automatic guns kill large numbers of people quickly and at long range when compared to other gun types. Clear?

No, people using the semi automatic guns kill large numbers of people at a long range...clear?

(Otherwise they would just have to use different methods which they will anyway if they are so hell bent on killing so many).

Arbitrary, Whim, Lackadaisical, Nefarious: really?

Well how about you come up with a serious proposal to combat the issue of massacres instead of pie in the sky weapons ban fantasies.

You are absolutely right, let's not infringe on their rights to kill large numbers of people quickly and at long range if they so choose to do so. I mean what is the cost of human life when compared to the pleasure of impersonating Rambo.

Eh? You are hardly infringing on their rights - they'll get a gun illegally if they are going to murder so many people. Clearly breaking the law is of no consequence to them.

It is the rest of us who are law abiding citizens that you will end up infringing upon the rights of.

It would be wow indeed if thoughts and prayers brought the dead back to life .... but they don't. They are no substitute

Neither will banning any of the gun(s) that the killer(s) may have used, either - if that is what you are trying to achieve.