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Old 12-07-2020, 04:22   #152
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Re: Trump gets fact checked

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Originally Posted by Mick View Post
Trump doesn't need protecting, he was acquitted in his Impeachment trial by the Senate. Had he commuted the sentence of Stone while the Robert Mueller investigation had been still live, then I would be nodding in agreement with you.

But Stone claims he was setup, also said his trial was met with unconstitutional blocks to his defense.

You need to re-read what I wrote, he has not pardoned him, he has commuted his sentence, the conviction remains on file. A Pardon removes all federal convictions and sentence is dropped, if time is still being served in a U.S Penitentiary.

You go look at who and what past presidents have pardoned, Bill Clinton pardoned his own brother.

There is no review of pardons. There have been historical attempts to curb the presidential pardon power, to no avail. This issue, too, was brought up in the Constitutional Convention, that pardons must be granted with the consent of the US Senate, but the measure was defeated on the vote of eight states to one.

The President need not provide a reason for a pardon and the courts and Congress have no legal authority to approve, disapprove, reject, or accept a pardon. Currently, the only way to change the pardon power is by constitutional amendment.

Clinton pardoned his older brother, Roger, for obvious familial reasons. He pardoned a pair of Hasidic Jews convicted of defrauding the government, restoring their civil rights but leaving monetary penalties intact.

In a controversial move, he pardoned fugitive financier Marc Rich, after application for clemency, in part, from the state of Israel, which had benefited from Rich's philanthropic gestures, a Federal Prosecutor was appointed to investigate this pardon, however they were later replaced by one and only, James Comey, who expressed that there were no illegalities in Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich.

President Gerald Ford pardoned President Nixon of any wrong-doing in order to put a close to the Nixon era for good.

President Jimmy Carter, pardoned all the Vietnam War draft dodgers to help in the long healing process the nation endured after that war.
Was he protecting him before or after his acquittal?

Judging by how close the Bush Gore election was I'm hardly going out on a limb by saying Clinton pardoning Rich got Bush over the line into the White House. Another one that springs to my mind is Casper Weinberger over Iran Contra, that had a certain kind of stench about it to.

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Originally Posted by Damien View Post
The pardon or ability to commute sentences is really dodgy but I think the main problem is when people use it for their friends and family as is the case with Clinton and Trump. Most of the time it does seem to be used reasonably responsibly.

What they should certainly do is remove the ability to pardon anyone between the November election and Inauguration if you are on the way out. Clinton's pardoning of his brother happened just before Bush took over. Obama's pardoning of Chelsea Manning happened just before Trump.

Each President seems to have one dodgy Pardon when they know it's their last time at it.
If I lived there the question in my mind would be, is it being used how it was intended to be when created, if it isn't it should be ammended or scrapped imo
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