[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I've explained how participation in Five Eyes (Huawei anyone?), NATO (British army reporting into US superiors and vice versa) impact on our sovereignty. Sovereignty is not a binary situation as has been demonstrated across the EU since the Covid outbreak but I appreciate that some have bought into this perception and uncloaking it is hard.

And no, agreeing to the entry rules are not concessions Seph, that's a highly defeatist way of framing the argument.

We should obviously try and negotiate these in our favour as much as possible. Of the above criteria, the one which I would aim to negotiate hardest on is No. 1. Only a socialist or a pessimist that thinks we can only survive as a low cost manufacturer (a la the recent sweatshop issues in Leicester) would have a genuine issue with No. 2 and we need to be careful with No. 3 as the fish we catch is largely sold to the EU, it's typically not species consumed in the UK.
I hope this helps.

Posted by Sephiroth:
Which of these concessions should we make to the EU in order to achieve the best possible economic outcome:

1. ECJ jurisdiction over the trade deal?
2. Level playing field that goes beyond Canada, Japan ?
3. Sovereignty over UK territorial waters including fishing rights?

On #1, you haven't said which way you'd swing when you would "negotiate hardest". My question stands (with modified tone): Would you "agree to" ECJ jurisdiction over the trade deal?

On#2 - "we need to be careful"? What's that about? Should we agree to the EU tying our hands more than they've done with Japan & Canada?

On#3 - So what? I understand that if we don't have a trade deal, the fish caught in our waters will finder their market harder to sell to. But on the other hand, the EU countries will want that fish. A trade deal would settle that without agreeing to the fishing rights status quo operating ibn perpetuity.

You seem to be careful to avoid answers that carry any emotion. Fine. But I still can't see on the three questions what you think we should agree to? The Forum is waiting with baited breath.