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Originally Posted by Damien

They want us to stay with the same regulatory framework because it's in their interests economically (i.e easier trade) and politically (Ireland). Not because they are nasty.

[SEPH]: They have no business wanting us to be a vassal state. If that's what you're defending, shame on you.

Walking away from a deal because it's bad is different to walking away because they're being nasty. However I think if you are walking away from a deal you need to have a plan as to how to do better than you would with the deal. It's like threatening to quit your job if you don't get a rise, it might work but you better be prepared to actually quit and have a plan b.

And this is a problem we have since we don't have any other trade deals and when we leave the EU not only do we leave the biggest economic bloc but we also leave the other trade deals we have via them. We become a major economy without a single trade deal. We're in a weak position to walk away from the only path to one we currently have.

[SEPH]: On the No Deal point, you're quite right. But they're still nasty. Our guvmin have screwed up big time because there was a Remainer in charge who was/is incompetent anyway. But this deal, which seals us in as a vassal state cannot be right. Staying in the EU would be better.