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Originally Posted by jfman
Another day, another attempt by Old Boy to insult people with genuine concerns over the virus.
Not a single country in the world - or even an opportunistic leader of the opposition - considers your proposals to have any credibility at all. On any other topic posting your persistently inaccurate predictions, wishful thinking and now verging on insults would be considered petty trolling.
Other countries have made varying degrees success with their response to the virus, treatments are improving and many vaccine candidates are entering the final phases of development.
Old Boy wants to send thousands to their deaths and crush the NHS, ending routine treatments for months to come, to “save the economy”. How’s the Swedish economy coming along?
Fifth richest economy in the world - can’t afford a solution for our citizens. Such a notion is laughable when you see success stories in much poorer countries.
Maybe next summer the virus will not like the heat and I’ll come out from under the stairs then.  |
Another day, another attempt by Old Boy to insult people with genuine concerns over the virus.
No, just a bit of humour, old chap. Like most people, I do have major concerns over the virus. What you are not grasping is that no matter how many lockdowns and circuit breakers we impose, the virus is still there. You still haven’t told us why another lockdown will have a different outcome to the first.
Not a single country in the world - or even an opportunistic leader of the opposition - considers your proposals to have any credibility at all. On any other topic posting your persistently inaccurate predictions, wishful thinking and now verging on insults would be considered petty trolling.
On the contrary, the herd immunity idea is gaining currency. The problem is the loud voices who are attempting to claim that such a policy indicates an uncaring attitude. It doesn’t. It is an acknowledgement of the nature of the virus, the fact that there is no cure and that if economies are wrecked by ineffective actions like this, economies will be wrecked, people will lose their jobs in the millions and governments will no longer be able to offer public services. More people will die as a result of all this, not less. As for trolling, the words pot and kettle come to mind.
You describe my ‘predictions’ as inaccurate. I call them opinions actually, and as we don’t know the outcome of these ‘predictions’, you are inaccurate in portraying them as inaccurate.
Other countries have made varying degrees success with their response to the virus, treatments are improving and many vaccine candidates are entering the final phases of development.
You are premature in describing these attempts at eliminating the virus as ‘degrees of success’ just as you are premature to judge Britain’s response to date if the measure is the number of cases/numbers of deaths. The time to rank countries in terms of their success is when the virus is eliminated. Your examples of ‘successful’ countries all have one thing in common. All of them have a higher proportion of their population who have not been infected to date and are still in danger of infection. As for the vaccines…well, let’s wait and see. After many decades, there has not been a single vaccine that has been found for coronavirus that is effective and does not have unacceptable side effects. The reduction of 10 years of testing down to less than 12 months spells danger to me. I shan’t be putting that ‘quick fix’ into my body.
Old Boy wants to send thousands to their deaths and crush the NHS, ending routine treatments for months to come, to “save the economy”. How’s the Swedish economy coming along?
As I have pointed out, the deaths will come anyway unless you lock people up forever. I don’t want anyone to die, but what you are failing to acknowledge is the absolute futility of how we are tackling this and the fact that this policy is actually increasing deaths. It is lockdown after lockdown that will simply extend further the inability of the NHS to treat people who have anything but COVID symptoms. I don’t see what similarities there are between the Swedish and the British economies - that is a laughable comparison.
Fifth richest economy in the world - can’t afford a solution for our citizens. Such a notion is laughable when you see success stories in much poorer countries.
Sixth richest, actually. As an economist, you should have known that.
So how many inaccuracies in that one post, jfman? I shan’t bother to count.
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
So do you now acknowledge it's not actually world-class and has therefore impacted the country adversely - economically and health-wise?
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Sadly, there's no other solution than lock-downs whilst we get closer to a vaccine.
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Why? Has the virus gone away after the last lockdown? Do you want this to go on forever?
Your faith that a vaccine is just around the corner is remarkable. It would be good if you were right.
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Originally Posted by jfman
Almost 20,000 cases. 2276 days to herd immunity.
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Only if you persist with these lockdowns, which are simply prolonging the agony.