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Originally Posted by Hugh
They weren’t asked the question "do you buy the argument that there will be significant damage to the British Economy", and you are being duplicitous to try and rewrite the narrative.
They were asked
And 61% said it was worth it.
And whilst the deficit has reduced, our debt as a % of GDP has doubled - not so good.
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Are you seriously suggesting that these people had not figured out the narrative behind that question? It is not me being disingenous or duplicitous here, Hugh.
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Originally Posted by ianch99
Vintage OB, don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant about Labour!
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Vintage maybe, but so true. That one act set the scene for the serious situation we faced when the economic crash came, which led to the austerity. It is important that people remember that, just as it is important to remember that the electorate voted to leave the EU.
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Originally Posted by Dave42
well known tory lie
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It is not a lie. Are you trying to re-write history? Of course he sold off our gold reserves. Economically, so inept.
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Originally Posted by ianch99
I agree. In fact, at the time, interestingly the FT agreed with him at the time - see below. Also, apparently, the Health government also did the same thing:
Gordon Brown and the Gold sell off Myth
The FT article:
Britain was right to sell off its pile of gold
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Because it illustrates the lies that underpin this fiasco and how we got here. The nonchalant use of lies to promote arguments has got us in this perilous position. "Gordon Brown sold all the gold", "We can trade tariff free under GATT Article 24 without any EU agreement", etc.
The constant use of this "cobblers" as you put it leaves us where no one believes anyone anymore. A recipe for disaster ... |
I think you are deliberately ignoring the point that he cashed in the gold and squandered the money. Had he invested it, this debate would not be happening.
As for Article 28, perhaps you need to read this for yourself instead of relying on what the leavers are saying. Of course we need to agree the triggering of Article 28, but given that both sides want a trade deal, there would be no disagreement on both sides agreeing what they wanted from this and setting out the extent of the negotiations that had yet to be carried out. Given that the protection period lasts for up to 10 years, there's plenty of time to sort out the backstop.
Instead of finding imaginary obstacles, surely it would be a better use of this thread to discuss ways in which the decision of the electorate can actually be implemented.
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Important to note also that Old Boy's accusation was "which saw Gordon Brown plunder our gold reserves". The reality was that he converted half of the gold reserves into other assets. That's not plundering.
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He eventually sold all the assets. There was nothing left when the coalition took over in 2010. They said so themselves, just as they did in 1979.