[Jerrek]

Originally Posted by scastle

Jerrek, what is the difference between you posting a link to a site that may or may not be right, and Downquark1 doing the same?

The difference is that one is an opinion and it is quite clear it is just that: an opinion. The other one is groups trying to present what they have as facts. If it were facts, it would have been all over the news. InformationClearingHouse is just slightly left of Stalin himself.

Originally Posted by Graham

But as opposed to, say, all those Polacks, Wops, Guineas, Spics, Niggers etc etc who live in the USA? I suggest you ask certain Right Wing groups if they consider those people to be "proper Americans"!

It really depends. If they are not American citizens and they live in the States, but live in a mini country of their own, then NO. They are NOT Americans.

Originally Posted by Graham

How do *you* know? What grounds do you use to cast doubt on that?

Easy. It isn't in our nature to restrict free speech like that. We had our own civil war, but you don't see us making the Confederate flag illegal. We didn't ban every artifact that could possibly remind people of the Confederation.

Originally Posted by Graham

Its his site, it's his ball, its his backyard. He can choose who gets to play. For all anyone knows, he could have had a hundred "anti" messages and one "pro" message, and picked the only one that agreed with him.

It's very easy for him to say "yes, look, this guy gets it!" without mentioning all the others who may not have.

And did I say anything on the contrary? This really has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Don't digress.

The second was as the result of the first. The Treaty of Versailles was a bodge job. The US President *could* have waived or arranged easy terms on the War Debts of France etc, but he didn't. So France demanded Germany take the blame for the war and pay massive reparations. Thus were the seeds for the second world war sewn. The USA is *not* blameless in this.

So, because we don't want to hand out billions of dollars we are to be blamed for the second world war?

And wars against Mexico, Spain, Britain, etc, the Cold War (and almost plunged the world into nuclear conflict on more than one occasion, not to mention being the only country *ever* to use nuclear weapons). War in Vietnam. Sponsored an attack on Cuba. Actions that are wars by any other name in Latin America. Invaded Grenada(!) etc etc etc...

I wasn't talking about foreign wars, and neither was you. Don't ****ing change the subject. We were talking about internal politics. Comparing Europe with the United States. Europe has had it fair share of wars with other countries, and so has the United States. But what I specifically highlighted was the internal civil wars, something Europe is very experienced with.

"You're either with us or you're against us"? Or how about "Have you ever been a member of the Communist party?"

Pray tell how that has a bearing on the subject at hand.

And participated in the slaughter of how many native Americans? Prospered on the land stolen from them and on the back of the slave trade (yes, Europe did too, I don't deny that).

They weren't angels thats for sure. But I do believe the United States showed unprecidented growth and prosperity, something Europe nor any other nation have been able to rival.

Sorry, did someone mention Colombia? Or perhaps Chile? Or maybe Peru?

How does that have to do with the subject at hand? They are all on a different continent!