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Old 25-11-2003, 00:37   #374
Graham
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Re: anti americanism fashionable

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Originally Posted by Jerrek
What he was saying is that, even if an American moves to Britain and renounces his American citizenship, Britains will keep thinking of him as a yank. This is even moreso in France. No matter what I do, I can't move to France and be considered French by the locals. I will always be a second-class citizen.
Fair enough.

But as opposed to, say, all those Polacks, Wops, Guineas, Spics, Niggers etc etc who live in the USA? I suggest you ask certain Right Wing groups if they consider those people to be "proper Americans"!

"I am glad we agree,"

I suggest you read that section again with your sarcasm detector switched on.

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There is a saying... When in Rome, do as the Romans do. I get quite annoyed by all these idiots that move here, and then decide they're going to set up their own mini country inside mine. For crying out loud, go back! Why leave in the first place?
Ah, once again we hear the zeal of the convert!

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You're just annoyed that we don't consult with stupid third-world countries and Europe before we do something.
ROFL!

No, I'm just trying to point out that there aren't two parts to the world, ie "America" and "Everywhere else".

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Maybe if the US had actually *experienced* Nazi occupation they might have a different view on the situation.
"Doubtful"

How do *you* know? What grounds do you use to cast doubt on that?

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WHAT exactly does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Its his site, it's his ball, its his backyard. He can choose who gets to play. For all anyone knows, he could have had a hundred "anti" messages and one "pro" message, and picked the only one that agreed with him.

It's very easy for him to say "yes, look, this guy gets it!" without mentioning all the others who may not have.

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Yes it is really funny how a continent of some 300 million odd people has started two world wars,
I didn't say it was perfect, but let's look at a couple of facts.

The second was as the result of the first. The Treaty of Versailles was a bodge job. The US President *could* have waived or arranged easy terms on the War Debts of France etc, but he didn't. So France demanded Germany take the blame for the war and pay massive reparations. Thus were the seeds for the second world war sewn. The USA is *not* blameless in this.

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experienced three, four dictators, not to mention the tens of civil wars inside Europe the past 500 years.

Come the United States. 50 independent States, joining a Union, with one civil war.
And wars against Mexico, Spain, Britain, etc, the Cold War (and almost plunged the world into nuclear conflict on more than one occasion, not to mention being the only country *ever* to use nuclear weapons). War in Vietnam. Sponsored an attack on Cuba. Actions that are wars by any other name in Latin America. Invaded Grenada(!) etc etc etc...

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No dictators.
"You're either with us or you're against us"? Or how about "Have you ever been a member of the Communist party?"

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Prosperous for the past 200 odd years.
And participated in the slaughter of how many native Americans? Prospered on the land stolen from them and on the back of the slave trade (yes, Europe did too, I don't deny that).

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In the meantime, Europe still can't get its own continent under control (*cough* Bosnia) and had as recently as 1990s a genocidal maniac running around in the backyard (Milosovich). Yes, old in this case seems to be bad.
Sorry, did someone mention Colombia? Or perhaps Chile? Or maybe Peru?

Don't try to paint the USA as perfect, because they aren't by any means!
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