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Originally Posted by Ramrod
We know that the Iraqui military often located itself in civilian areas and went as far as using civilian buildings such as hospitals as bases.
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Ho hum. More irrelevancies.
Did you actually bother to *read* those links I posted? Let me quote a couple of relevant sections...
"During allied bombing campaigns on Iraq the country's eight multi-purpose dams had been repeatedly hit, simultaneously wrecking flood control, municipal and industrial water storage, irrigation and hydroelectric power. Four of seven major pumping stations were destroyed, as were 31 municipal water and sewerage facilities - 20 in Baghdad, resulting in sewage pouring into the Tigris. Water purification plants were incapacitated throughout Iraq."
"An estimated 90% of Iraq's national power grid was destroyed in the Gulf War."
Now *HOW* exactly, is that going to affect the Iraqi military *WITHOUT* also causing widespread suffering to civilians?
These are *ILLEGAL* acts under UN conventions which the US has signed up to. They border on, if not actually are, *war crimes*.
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We have to quibble over words when it comes down to deciding who is evil/to blame/how much to blame and who is not. Thats why we have a distinction between murder and manslaughter in law.
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And the US redefined "civilian" as "military" to justify their illegal actions. Oh, and don't forget that they refused to take part in the International Criminal Court because they knew damned well that they'd be hauled up in front of it for what they'd done!
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If my family was killed by accident I would feel differently about it than if they were killed deliberatly. It wouldn't make it right or help the sorrow but it would be different, for instance the question of retribution would have to be addressed (or not)
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However we're not talking so much about "accident" as "carelessness"! The US has this lovely phrase "collateral damage" to describe what happens when civilians are killed as a result of their military action. Those who are now suffering cancers or who have been maimed or killed by unexploded cluster weapons or who were made ill or died due to the lack of fresh water are just more "collateral damage".
How would *you* feel if your family were just "collateral damage"?
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I don't agree with using cluster bombs or depleted uranium shells. How do you know that the infrastructure was not of military value?
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Read the bloody links!
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Don't put words in my mouth. You have every right to condemn 'us' but when you don't utter a peep about 'them' it strikes me as odd and rather one-sided.
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Now who is putting words into whose mouth?? There's a word for that...
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wtf? Are we discussing Turkey now? Different discussion, go start a new thread.
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Perhaps you didn't read what I wrote. Perhaps you didn't understand.
Here, let me quote the words again and see if you can fit them into the context of your above seeming attempt to "put words into my mouth":
'You just condemned the bombings in Turkey, yet you hadn't said anything about the abuses of Human rights in that same country and the persecution of Iraqi Kurds by Turkish forces! As someone said "but I don't see you condeming them for it"'