[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Graham

And, once again, excuse me, but *HOW* does targetting civilian water and sewerage systems hurt the Iraqi military???

http://www.oz.net/~vvawai/sw/sw41/watertarget.html

What about a power system that supplies Iraqi hospitals?

http://www.droitvp.org/electricityCivilian.html

We know that the Iraqui military often located itself in civilian areas and went as far as using civilian buildings such as hospitals as bases.

You may want to quibble words about whether this is "deliberate" or "accidental", but the fact is that innocent women and children have *died* as a result of this policy and that is something you *cannot* deny.

We have to quibble over words when it comes down to deciding who is evil/to blame/how much to blame and who is not. Thats why we have a distinction between murder and manslaughter in law.

It may salve *your* conscience to think "Ah, we but didn't undertake a deliberate act to kill these people", but I doubt that's much comfort to them or their families.

If my family was killed by accident I would feel differently about it than if they were killed deliberatly. It wouldn't make it right or help the sorrow but it would be different, for instance the question of retribution would have to be addressed (or not)

If you think otherwise, it is *you* who needs their conscience, rather than their head, examined.

And this countrys legal system as well. Remember murder V manslaughter? Premeditated V accidental?

So *accidentally* killing them by destroying vital infrastructure which is *NOT* of any military value or by using morally questionable weaponry such as cluster bombs, depleted uranium et al is "BETTER"??

I don't agree with using cluster bombs or depleted uranium shells. How do you know that the infrastructure was not of military value? The truth of stuff like that only comes out decades later. Anyhow the Iraquis often deliberatly sited themselves in/near/beneath civilian buildings.

I would be rolling on the floor lauging at this point if it weren't so bloody tragic.

The situation is tragic

Ah, because I don't condemn "them", somehow I have no right to condemn "us" for engaging in illegal actions! What a wonderfully ludicrous piece of logic...!

Don't put words in my mouth. You have every right to condemn 'us' but when you don't utter a peep about 'them' it strikes me as odd and rather one-sided.

You just condemned the bombings in Turkey, yet you hadn't said anything about the abuses of Human rights in that same country and the persecution of Iraqi Kurds by Turkish forces! As someone said "but I don't see you condeming them for it"

wtf? Are we discussing Turkey now? Different discussion, go start a new thread.