[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Graham

Excuse me? How did I *not* address them? I just pointed out that Allied forces *redefined* "military targets" to include *civilian* infrastructure. .

In war you have to take out the infrastructure to deny it to the enemy. Anything less would be foolhardy. Thats a bit different to deliberatly targeting synagogues and buses don't you think?

They used cluster bombs in civilian areas an action which if not completely illegal is certainly legally very dubious, not to mention morally reprehensible. Something also, I have little doubt, has resulted in the deaths of women and children.

I agree, cluster bombs are wrong, they may kill innocent women and children but that is hardly in the same league as targeting a bus full of children dont you think? That will kill them btw....no 'may' about it. Now if you can't see the difference, you definitly need your head seeing to. It's a question of intent, you see. The person who deliberatly kills innocents is deemed to be nastier than the person who accidently kills innocents whilst trying to kill bad guys. Also, the person who is trying to avoid civilian casualities will generally avoid them whilst the whilst the terrorist will generally get them every time ('cos that's what he's trying to do)....it's that 'intent' thing again you see...
I know that I'm talking down to you but you can't seem to see the difference between intent and accident (or just won't see it)

(All civilian casualities are tragic btw)

How on earth can you sit there on your moral high horse and claim that we are somehow "better" than those suicide bombers when the best phrase to describe such policies and actions as the ones above is "morally bankrupt"?!

Who's phrase is that?, not mine, don't put words into my mouth. We are without a doubt 'better' than they are because we don't deliberatly target women and children. We don't set out to blow up buses and resturants and red cross facilities (using ambulances) I wonder how loudly you would squeal if we tried sh*t like that(but I don't see you condeming them for it ) .

Oh, and I suggest you take a closer look at Turkey's Human Rights record too!

wtf has Turkeys apalling human rights record got to do with anything?