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Originally Posted by Jerrek[
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Is that the best you can do? I'm disappointed.[/b]
Likewise. I would have thought you would be able to substantiate your point.
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Allright, I will substantiate my point then.
The 9/11 attacks were an atrocious crime, and those that are responsible for it should be found and brought to justice. I supported the war in Afghanistan, as there was substantial proof that at least some of those responsible were hiding there being protected by the regime.
The Iraq war, I felt was something different. We were told it was about WMD, which weren't found, then we were told it was because of links to Al Qa'eda, which was never proven (and quickly dropped). Then, we were told it was to liberate the people of Iraq, as Saddam was violating human rights.
At the same time, the US is treating foreign nationals in a way which is in contradiction with the Geneva Convention (which the US have ratified), and its own law. Only by applying a couple of tricks (these are illegal combatants, not POWs, and holding prisoners outside the US), do they (seemingly) get away with breaching the Geneva Convention, and its own law or even constitution. (And as I understand, you're very own supreme court may have a thing or two to say about the latter).
In this situation, I find the line that you are justified to invade another country because of their human rights issues (after being fed several lines about WMD, links to AL Qa'eda) a little rich. Especially, since so many countries that abuse human rights apparently have nothing to fear from the US.
You're right, prisoners in the US are not tortured, raped etc., but their human rights are being violated, and they are not treated in a way that US citizens (such as mr. Walker) would have a right to in similar circumstances. And the line that they are terrorists doesn't cut it, as they are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.
I understand that the war on terrorism requires special powers, but I fail to see why this requires such a violation of human rights.
As I said earlier in this thread: I am reminded of this WW2 movie, where one the soldiers suggests roughing one of the prisoners up a bit in order to get some info, and the officer replies: Isn't that what this war is about?
BTW: Have you ever lived in Zimbabwe? (As you brought up Mugabe a number of times)