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Jerrek · 14-11-2003, 01:34

Are you honestly stating that the hate of these terrorists is something innate that would be expressed anyway, and that they just happen to have picked on the USA for some reason? You need to take into account the reasons for the hate, and as wrong as the events of 9/11, the USA pretty much had it coming for a long time, and they just brought it upon themselves.
I have no idea why they would act in such a manner. I just know that *I* wouldn't. And, since they have demonstrated what kind of people they are, I have no itention of pleasing them or making them happy. I don't want such friends. Apparently, you want such friends.

You just demonstrated your hatred for saying "You had it coming." What a completely and utterly stupid comment. Signs of a narrow mind. What exactly did the United States do to deserve it, as you put it?

Sorry, I got the impression that the USA were taking care of the rest of the world, only to paraphrase Father Ted, they seem to be doing it in an Al Pacino kind of way.
Not completely, otherwise Mugabe wouldn't be in power. But we do look out for ourselves and our allies.

Their blatent support of Israel has got the eastern Muslims to dislike them
My apologies for not making extremist Muslims--that beat their wifes, rape their prisoners, fly planes into buildings, and blow themselves up among women and children--happy. There are plenty of followers of Islam that I can live with and be friends with. But those extremist Muslims I really don't care about.

What about those recent comments by Mahattir? "Jews are ruling the world." SO WHAT?

the refusal of the chiototo accord didn't go down well in europe
Because we didn't want to dance to the Europeans' stupid rules. Hah. Kiss my ass. You go ahead and ruin your economy. Meanwhile, we will just continue living in prosperity. It isn't the United States that have double digit unemployment figures and negative economic growth...

and the Iraq issue and offended the UN
We really don't care for the United Nations. I hope those Congressmen that stated they want to get the United States out of the U.N. are working on it. The U.S. has violated more U.N. regulations than any other nation and should be kicked out of it if we don't withdraw from it ourselves.

And the best they can come out with is 'we saved you in WW2 from the nazi so you have to like us'.
You are rather narrowminded if this is all you see.

This is a foolish analogy.
No it is not. You just don't like it because it illustrate the point towny was making so very nicely and it doesn't fit with your narrow view of the world.

But the USA does take that attitude. You're either with them or against them as their president pointed out.
Exactly.

So the situation is simple, dance to our drum or you are the enemy.
I believe he was referring to the war on terror. So yep.

It's no wonder they are hated so much.
Because we want to get rid of terrorists? The same ones you seem to have quite a nice understanding with?

I never stated that they necessarily "deserved" 9/11, but that doesn`t negate the possibility of them having brought it upon themselves.
You have a short memory. You said, "They had it coming."

My issue is with the manner in which that was taken, with the USA and the UK conveniently ignoring international law when it suits them.
There is no such thing as international law. We don't recognize it. If you dislike that, well, deal with it.

They do not have the right to commit a pre-emptive strike
Yes we do. Deal with it.

North Korea is constantly threated by the USA, by the actions of Bush it has been demostrated that they have every right to pop a nuke off to the California.
North Korea is all mouth with nothing else. Besides, China and Japan are dealing with it, for the time being.

The USA is hated by many people for the way it treats the rest of the world
read: no free handouts from the rich people of the States.

But as a country it is far too dumb and arrogant to bother questioning why people despise them in the first instance.
Ah, as I said, it really isn't in our best interest to dance to the rest of the world. 80% of the world is a toilet. Do we really want to do what they say? I mean, there is a reason why the rest of the world is in such a crappy state.

As soon as democratically elected leader is in power, and preferably a Democrat, then there is every chance that they will redeem themselves.
Ignoring your obvious lack of education regarding the 2000 election, if Bush wins by a landslide victory, we will of course redeem ourself, right? It is very unlikely that a Democrat will win. Three key democrat states lost 2 electoral votes each and it was given to Florida, Texas, and another southern state due to population shifts. If all else remains the same, with just the shift in electoral votes, Bush will win with more than 8 electoral votes.

And now looking how the Democrats are losing in the south makes it really hard for them to win. They lost California's gubernational race. And Louisiana and Kentucky. One Georgia senator, a Democrat, threw in his support for President Bush. The Republicans will most likely gain more seats in the Senate and House in the 2004 election, as well as retaining the White House.

The only reason you like a Democrat is because they are more inclined to dance to the rest of the world's demands. Which I don't want, which is why I vote Republican.

14-11-2003, 01:34	#53
Jerrek Inactive Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,545	Re: anti americanism fashionable Are you honestly stating that the hate of these terrorists is something innate that would be expressed anyway, and that they just happen to have picked on the USA for some reason? You need to take into account the reasons for the hate, and as wrong as the events of 9/11, the USA pretty much had it coming for a long time, and they just brought it upon themselves. I have no idea why they would act in such a manner. I just know that I wouldn't. And, since they have demonstrated what kind of people they are, I have no itention of pleasing them or making them happy. I don't want such friends. Apparently, you want such friends. You just demonstrated your hatred for saying "You had it coming." What a completely and utterly stupid comment. Signs of a narrow mind. What exactly did the United States do to deserve it, as you put it? Sorry, I got the impression that the USA were taking care of the rest of the world, only to paraphrase Father Ted, they seem to be doing it in an Al Pacino kind of way. Not completely, otherwise Mugabe wouldn't be in power. But we do look out for ourselves and our allies. Their blatent support of Israel has got the eastern Muslims to dislike them My apologies for not making extremist Muslims--that beat their wifes, rape their prisoners, fly planes into buildings, and blow themselves up among women and children--happy. There are plenty of followers of Islam that I can live with and be friends with. But those extremist Muslims I really don't care about. What about those recent comments by Mahattir? "Jews are ruling the world." SO WHAT? the refusal of the chiototo accord didn't go down well in europe Because we didn't want to dance to the Europeans' stupid rules. Hah. Kiss my ass. You go ahead and ruin your economy. Meanwhile, we will just continue living in prosperity. It isn't the United States that have double digit unemployment figures and negative economic growth... and the Iraq issue and offended the UN We really don't care for the United Nations. I hope those Congressmen that stated they want to get the United States out of the U.N. are working on it. The U.S. has violated more U.N. regulations than any other nation and should be kicked out of it if we don't withdraw from it ourselves. And the best they can come out with is 'we saved you in WW2 from the nazi so you have to like us'. You are rather narrowminded if this is all you see. This is a foolish analogy. No it is not. You just don't like it because it illustrate the point towny was making so very nicely and it doesn't fit with your narrow view of the world. But the USA does take that attitude. You're either with them or against them as their president pointed out. Exactly. So the situation is simple, dance to our drum or you are the enemy. I believe he was referring to the war on terror. So yep. It's no wonder they are hated so much. Because we want to get rid of terrorists? The same ones you seem to have quite a nice understanding with? I never stated that they necessarily "deserved" 9/11, but that doesn`t negate the possibility of them having brought it upon themselves. You have a short memory. You said, "They had it coming." My issue is with the manner in which that was taken, with the USA and the UK conveniently ignoring international law when it suits them. There is no such thing as international law. We don't recognize it. If you dislike that, well, deal with it. They do not have the right to commit a pre-emptive strike Yes we do. Deal with it. North Korea is constantly threated by the USA, by the actions of Bush it has been demostrated that they have every right to pop a nuke off to the California. North Korea is all mouth with nothing else. Besides, China and Japan are dealing with it, for the time being. The USA is hated by many people for the way it treats the rest of the world read: no free handouts from the rich people of the States. But as a country it is far too dumb and arrogant to bother questioning why people despise them in the first instance. Ah, as I said, it really isn't in our best interest to dance to the rest of the world. 80% of the world is a toilet. Do we really want to do what they say? I mean, there is a reason why the rest of the world is in such a crappy state. As soon as democratically elected leader is in power, and preferably a Democrat, then there is every chance that they will redeem themselves. Ignoring your obvious lack of education regarding the 2000 election, if Bush wins by a landslide victory, we will of course redeem ourself, right? It is very unlikely that a Democrat will win. Three key democrat states lost 2 electoral votes each and it was given to Florida, Texas, and another southern state due to population shifts. If all else remains the same, with just the shift in electoral votes, Bush will win with more than 8 electoral votes. And now looking how the Democrats are losing in the south makes it really hard for them to win. They lost California's gubernational race. And Louisiana and Kentucky. One Georgia senator, a Democrat, threw in his support for President Bush. The Republicans will most likely gain more seats in the Senate and House in the 2004 election, as well as retaining the White House. The only reason you like a Democrat is because they are more inclined to dance to the rest of the world's demands. Which I don't want, which is why I vote Republican.