[James Henry]

Originally Posted by Bengie

Or to put it another way:

Only 50% of people connected to an ADSL2+ enabled exchange are getting 10Mbit on it, fact
75% are blessed with <16Mbit

*Sigh*

I was directly answering someone who claimed that you had to be on top of the exchange to receive reasonable speeds.

Please feel free to stick to the basement if stuff like this is all you have to add to discussions in these sections, thx.

I'll find some exact figures from the official stats when I can be bothered for those people on the mission of 'cable good, DSL bad'.

---------- Post added at 15:19 ---------- Previous post was at 15:11 ----------

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Are those official stats?

Yup.

Take here for example I llive in an urban area hardly out in the sticks. I am 1 mile away from the city centre and in a highly populated area.

I live in a highly populated area... my line is currently synched at full ADSL 1 rate with room for more bandwidth and I get 970kB/s on it. I'm 700m from my exchange. I'd bet that most on this exchange are within a couple of km.

This side of town there is 1 exchange yes 1 covering a 10km radius, do you think 50% of people connected to that exchange will hit 10mbit? I think 50% would be lucky to even get a service.

You sure about that? How many people are within 3 or 4km of the exchange?

I am on a exchange in the city but its far side, BTs checker estimated 4.5mbit for me, the line can synch at 6400kbit but because of various problems with the line and BT's way of fixing it involves dumbing down the bandwidth I can get a stable synch of around 4600-4800kbit. This then is worn down to 3mbit because of their faulty BRAS system. Granted BRAS isnt a factor on LLU.

Depending on your line you can reasonable expect 10Mbit on ADSL2+. I am aware of BT's methods to increase stability, they consist of interleaving and increasing target SNR.

Until BT get fibre rolled out to cabinets or build more exchanges then cable is superior to ADSL by a mile. Currently BT dont care tho, if the line is in spec then they wont touch it, and in spec means you can use it for ringing up people, if its no good for adsl then its tough luck.

BT would love to roll out fibre to cabinets, unfortunately while Ofcom keep them held by the balls there's no point. Why invest when you're going to be forced to offer access to your investment for peanuts? It's interesting that we don't see anyone suggesting that ntl unbundle their network. Something to do with a Mr Carter possibly and it's just become institutionalised that BT must be held back by any means necessary to allow cable and LLU to catch up, meanwhile essentially pushing BT into rolling DSL out all over the country, even places that anywhere else in the world wouldn't even be considered for DSL deployment.

Anyway we digress!

---------- Post added at 15:24 ---------- Previous post was at 15:19 ----------

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

They say bull**** baffles brains, good try ntl

Welcome to the wonderful world of advertising. They're hardly going to say 'For basic TV, a phone line, and 10Mbit+ unlimited broadband Sky's deal is £x / month cheaper' so both sides will pick whatever suits them as a comparison