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Originally Posted by Escapee
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Originally Posted by Womble
The 54 are not part of the 109 :-( 54 are going Business from the Telewest side, then 20 percent from all sides to go which equals 109 engineers. But, most of the Telewest boys are not Dual trained (CATV & Telco), they also have "Core Network Techs", which to ex-Nynex are Activation. so I suspect Telewest bods will take the major hit 
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Apparently the meeting in South Wales was held by managers who didn't seem to know anything. The question was asked about the 54, and they didn't know the answer. Knowing the two main managers who would of conducted the meeting, I would say they wouldn't really give a sh*t about the 54 or 109, they are the type who only think of themselves.
That type are the ones who have survived.
The one good think to come out of it today, was when I was chatting to an ntl guy. He is in Headends so not affected (yet), he was however with one of the network guys. The network guy who I have known for many years (almost 20) sounded quite happy, he is hoping they will accept his offer and pick him to get out of the place.
Oh well, another 109 going and probably more to follow. I wonder how many more redundancies it will take to make the company a viable concern. 
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What worries me the most is the brain drain.
They must be getting to a point now where those that built the network are all gone.
Those that have sense and the ability to move jobs will grab the redundancy which will then leave those that wanted it but were refused. These Engineers will then be worked off there feet doing the work of those that have left. They will just get even more demoralised and will work from month to month hoping for the next round of redundancies.
Then there are those that do not want it because they would not be able to con another company. They know who they are.
There are a
lot of very good engineers still in NTL however there are some that just don't cut the mustard and will resist redundancy with all there might "sucking up to managers and such" and its these that Ntl and Telewest should get rid off. However these same people will be the ones that will support the **** managers that always seem to survive when the good ones get the boot.
I wish those that are made redundant well and hope you find better jobs out in the real world where you will be treated with the respect you should have and dont get from NTL.