I was told that a senior manager said that if u know how to save me 6 million pound then they will consider not tupeing. Heres a wild and crazy idea (ntl has year on year reduced field in house numbers, but the managers seem to remain in place). Reduce the number of managers and charge an installation fee. the money saved from the managers high wages and the money from installation fees should just about cover it, or does that sound too much like common sense for them.