Thread: Well Done NTL
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Old 02-07-2006, 18:24   #30
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Re: Well Done NTL
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Originally Posted by mojo
NTL do have issues, no doubt, but they are still far better than ADSL providers.

BTs pricing of 8MB ADSL makes it unworkable. An ISP needs to oversubscribe by 150 to 1 just to cover the cost of the BT pipes. There was a web site somewhere that priced it all up but I forget it now... something.org.uk.

My main advice is stay away from NTLs mail servers (use gmail for pop3) and if possible get a router with traffic shaping, like a pfsense box. NTL seem to use stupidly long queues on their modems which really screws P2P and the like up.
BT's pricing of 8Mbit ADSL is no different per Mbit/s from their pricing of 2Mbit, ISPs undercharging is the issue.

I note that for your 8Mbit experiences you chose Ace and Evolution, Evolution charged too little and folded, Ace charged too little and their supplier was forced to implement traffic shaping to try and control the load, a load coming mostly from people who wanted to download as much as possible for as little as possible and migrated from Evo to Ace. Can't help but think if you'd stumped up a bit more on a higher quality ISP you'd have seen better results from ADSL. Pay peanuts...

ntl's modems don't queue a thing, even if they did a router on your side would do nothing to affect the queues, would it? The modems are strictly FIFO and work as fast as they can, this is however controlled by congestion on the local network, if the modem can't get a slot in time and the buffer is filled the traffic is dumped.
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