[mcmanic]

well i don't use P2P and seeing Newsgroups is something you pay for they better not traffic shape them to much - for example at the moment i'm downloading at 250 kb/sec and my upload is only about 5 to 6 kb/sec which is nothing compared to the likes of emule and torrents that require full upload,

same goes for xbox Live also, downloads from them just lately have been awful to say the least, traffic shaping on something like this will kill XBL totally, just look at all the NTL problems over at xbox forums