[jtwn]

Originally Posted by James Henry

jtwn, why are you quoting BT Retail (not Wholesale / Openreach) releases?

Max is a Wholesale / Openreach product, BT Broadband are just another supplier of this who are doing it via BT Wholesale.

Its all part of the same group though, the money in the pit is all the same.

You also appear to be blaming BT for the laws of physics which is interesting, namely that DSL is a distance dependent technology. This is the same worldwide, and FYI BT are looking at a number of ways to address this via pushing fibre deeper into the local network.

Yep, I am aware of the 21CN network, good luck to them. At the end of the day its not an issue whether the tech has its problems or not, we pay for x and would like to expect near enough that. If only 25% of people could only get at least 80% of the maximum speed on ntl I think this place would be DDOSed with the amount of people complaining.

If you can stop arguing the virtues of ntl with Neil for a moment you'll actually realise what BT have done is actually pretty astonishing, releasing up to 8Mbit availability onto over 5,000 exchanges and to 20+ million PSTN lines isn't something to be belittled it's actually a hell of an achievement and is something that's never been done anywhere before as far as I'm aware.

Comparing BT and ntl like for like is grossly unfair anyway, BT are regulated to hell and back, their wholesale prices fixed high to encourage competition, their terms of access to their network strictly controlled, they have to ask permission to release new products.

ntl on the other hand have no regulation (yet) however to describe what BT have done as anything bar a great achievement is ntl fanboyism in my opinion. It's an outstanding piece of logistics, planning and engineering several months if not years of upgrades have made possible.

Hopefully it'll all go smoothly - the UK has just moved up the world speed table dramatically.

It can be argued that BT should be regulated, considering they still have a monopoly of the country's phone network, it can be argued that it should still be regulated on the basis of the network, the copper loop, was built with public money before privatisation.

Thats so true about the UK BB position in the world, I can remember the days of the Scandanavian countries and their 8mb+ and thinking that that would never be over the horizon for us. How times change.

I don't get kicks out of having a stab at people or organisations, I just think some people are completely unfair. I'm not saying BT BB is a drab service, that would be generalising the same as if somebody said it with ntl, I'm just pointing out the cons that some people are to happy to glaze over. I don't swear allegiance to any operator, I just want the best for the us, the consumers.


I don't mind battling it out with Neil though when hes basically asking for it though No hard feelings though ofc