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James Henry · 07-04-2006, 01:20

jtwn, why are you quoting BT Retail (not Wholesale / Openreach) releases?

Max is a Wholesale / Openreach product, BT Broadband are just another supplier of this who are doing it via BT Wholesale.

You also appear to be blaming BT for the laws of physics which is interesting, namely that DSL is a distance dependent technology. This is the same worldwide, and FYI BT are looking at a number of ways to address this via pushing fibre deeper into the local network.

If you can stop arguing the virtues of ntl with Neil for a moment you'll actually realise what BT have done is actually pretty astonishing, releasing up to 8Mbit availability onto over 5,000 exchanges and to 20+ million PSTN lines isn't something to be belittled it's actually a hell of an achievement and is something that's never been done anywhere before as far as I'm aware.

Comparing BT and ntl like for like is grossly unfair anyway, BT are regulated to hell and back, their wholesale prices fixed high to encourage competition, their terms of access to their network strictly controlled, they have to ask permission to release new products.

ntl on the other hand have no regulation (yet) however to describe what BT have done as anything bar a great achievement is ntl fanboyism in my opinion. It's an outstanding piece of logistics, planning and engineering several months if not years of upgrades have made possible.

Hopefully it'll all go smoothly - the UK has just moved up the world speed table dramatically.

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James Henry Permanently Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 562	*Re: All* ADSL Max Info In Here Please** jtwn, why are you quoting BT Retail (not Wholesale / Openreach) releases? Max is a Wholesale / Openreach product, BT Broadband are just another supplier of this who are doing it via BT Wholesale. You also appear to be blaming BT for the laws of physics which is interesting, namely that DSL is a distance dependent technology. This is the same worldwide, and FYI BT are looking at a number of ways to address this via pushing fibre deeper into the local network. If you can stop arguing the virtues of ntl with Neil for a moment you'll actually realise what BT have done is actually pretty astonishing, releasing up to 8Mbit availability onto over 5,000 exchanges and to 20+ million PSTN lines isn't something to be belittled it's actually a hell of an achievement and is something that's never been done anywhere before as far as I'm aware. Comparing BT and ntl like for like is grossly unfair anyway, BT are regulated to hell and back, their wholesale prices fixed high to encourage competition, their terms of access to their network strictly controlled, they have to ask permission to release new products. ntl on the other hand have no regulation (yet) however to describe what BT have done as anything bar a great achievement is ntl fanboyism in my opinion. It's an outstanding piece of logistics, planning and engineering several months if not years of upgrades have made possible. Hopefully it'll all go smoothly - the UK has just moved up the world speed table dramatically.