Thanks, looks like yet another NTL rubbish management decision then, I can just see the reviews when all the various HDTV services are launched - Sky with about 50 channels, NTL with about 20 (Heh, I guess thats kinda like it is now - perhaps NTL are destined to always be in Skys shadow) and maybe even with the Sky HD channels (which are already compressed - recompressed again into MPG2) - great service NTL