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Originally Posted by Ignition
The only sad part of this is how quickly this guy is dismissed as being crazy, especially considering how little research anyone has done into what he's saying.
I'm not saying he's right or he's wrong however there's rarely smoke without fire and the steady erosion of civil liberties is fairly clear for all to see.
All I'm saying is show tolerance to this guy's views even if they are so completely opposite to yours.
Punky what you said, even though no doubt it got green repped like crazy, was out of order. I'm not a huge fan of this country which is why I'm leaving this **** hole at the earliest opportunity for somewhere I can walk down the street without being harrassed by the chavs my huge taxes support (just to name one issue).
All too easy to accuse people of being paranoid, wrong, etc, I haven't seen anyone who can catagorically prove the guy is wrong either. A few google searches, yeah that proves it all doesn't it? We've already seen slowly unravelling how much BS the govt feeds us.
Either way insults were out of order. He's not the only person who wants this anonymity, else sites offering the service wouldn't exist, would they?
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1) I haven't recieved one rep, neither green nor red for any comments in this thread
2) I haven't said he's not allowed to say what he has been saying, but I reserve the right to call it offensive and BOTHO. The only thing I have said is that he maybe should consider the feelings of people whose relatives have died through terrorist attacks. Not unreasonable, i'd thought.
3) Errosion of civil liberties and abuse of citizens by a government is a world away from what he was saying. He was saying ALL terrorist attacks are engineered by governments and that there are no such things are terrorists who want to harm the government or its citizens. Bit of a difference.
4) Never once has even provided even the slightest hint of any kind of proof of his extremely outlandish claims. Therefore there isn't even any smoke, let alone a fire. Am I supposed to believe him without any sort of evidence? Isn't that as bad as automatically believing the government?
5) I am sorry you think I was out of order. That is never my intention. However, its easier to sit back and bitch than to do something about it. If you don't like the situation, change it. At least my family did something about it. Criticising the government is one thing, but if someone shares the opinions of d3v and have such a hatred, then its about time they put their opinions where their mouth is. Again, this is entirely option on their part.
6) Bottom line is, i'll believe a conspiracy theory if someone could actually prove it.