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Mr Angry · 08-03-2006, 20:23

Sacred Web Warrior,

It pains me to point this out to you but it was you who titled this thread "Gypsy's - Human Rights - What about us?". Not "Pikeys", but "Gypsy's".

I'm not about to go round in circles on this and I've already established that there is a distinct difference between gypsys and pikeys - both racially and culturally. I've also provided you with a section of the Race Relations Act which you don't seem prepared to acknowledge as correct (somewhat surprising for someone who, given their published views on litter, theft etc, one can only assume to be on the side of the law).

I'm sorry to further point out to you that it's a fundamental tenet of law that it's not actually up to you to decide when you are and when you are not harrassing someone (for the avoidance of doubt I was pointing out to you the fact that you were violating another persons dignity - I thought the fact that I had highlighted that particular phrase may have been a clue). Your idea of harmless name calling is someone elses interpretation of harrassment / bullying.

Your comments quite clearly have the potential to offend and undermine someones dignity. As I tried to point out there are law abiding and successful members of the travelling community who integrate well with the settled society. Your generalizations are an affront to their continued attempts to do so.

You've been called out on this and you don't like it - fair enough. Don't, however, try to dance around the core issue of your inability to treat people as individuals by twisting / misinterpreting my words to try and somehow validate your stance. Not all gypsys and travellers are how you would have us believe, As I said before- there are bad elements in every socioeconomic group - labelling them all as the same shows a fundamental lack of willingness on your part to believe that anything other than socially disfunctional is the norm where these people are concerned and that is patently not true.

I asked you earlier - Is it only gypsy's who camp on public land, drive untaxed, uninsured and stolen cars, go around stealing, half tarmac-ing driveways before doing a runner or dumping rubbish on their illegal campsites?

Are you prepared to give a straight honest answer?

08-03-2006, 20:23	#43
Mr Angry Inactive Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 4,785	Re: Gypsy's - Human Rights - What about us? Sacred Web Warrior, It pains me to point this out to you but it was you who titled this thread "Gypsy's - Human Rights - What about us?". Not "Pikeys", but "Gypsy's". I'm not about to go round in circles on this and I've already established that there is a distinct difference between gypsys and pikeys - both racially and culturally. I've also provided you with a section of the Race Relations Act which you don't seem prepared to acknowledge as correct (somewhat surprising for someone who, given their published views on litter, theft etc, one can only assume to be on the side of the law). I'm sorry to further point out to you that it's a fundamental tenet of law that it's not actually up to you to decide when you are and when you are not harrassing someone (for the avoidance of doubt I was pointing out to you the fact that you were violating another persons dignity - I thought the fact that I had highlighted that particular phrase may have been a clue). Your idea of harmless name calling is someone elses interpretation of harrassment / bullying. Your comments quite clearly have the potential to offend and undermine someones dignity. As I tried to point out there are law abiding and successful members of the travelling community who integrate well with the settled society. Your generalizations are an affront to their continued attempts to do so. You've been called out on this and you don't like it - fair enough. Don't, however, try to dance around the core issue of your inability to treat people as individuals by twisting / misinterpreting my words to try and somehow validate your stance. Not all gypsys and travellers are how you would have us believe, As I said before- there are bad elements in every socioeconomic group - labelling them all as the same shows a fundamental lack of willingness on your part to believe that anything other than socially disfunctional is the norm where these people are concerned and that is patently not true. I asked you earlier - Is it only gypsy's who camp on public land, drive untaxed, uninsured and stolen cars, go around stealing, half tarmac-ing driveways before doing a runner or dumping rubbish on their illegal campsites? Are you prepared to give a straight honest answer?