[Chrysalis]

Well abyss experience is completely different to mine, he is saying LT have problems full stop. But I have that server and my friend has 2 more. Between the 3 servers most user's generally have no speed problems, the ones that have problems are just me and 1 other guy on ntl who have the level3 routing, his ubr isnt as bad as mine and has fairly good numbers. I agree with you that because my ubr is in such a bad state it makes it harder to diagnose on my own connection which is why I had other people testing.

The manchester routing baffles me altogether, a guy on nottingham which issnt that far from leicester doesnt go through manchester level3, same with another guy in birmingham and one in liverpool, if liverpool can go direct to london then why is leics routing through manchester?

I will see if I can get traceroutes of them so you have the comparison's.

Your own trace shows no problem at lt.

Also another thing which abyss overlooked is that I have this problem with every .us provider that comes in over level3, the cogent ones are ok and I have now managed to get one that comes in on opentransit which is ok as well. The speed symptons are much different to my normal ubr speed related problem,s normally my speed is just generally slow but consistent, over level3 it is generally starting and fast then stalling for a sec or 2 then starting again but slowly speeds up so like a blade of a saw if looking at a speed graph once it hits a good speed it stalls again. The lag spikes could be solely my ubr but I am in dozens of ssh sessions together and I test on another which are nowhere near as bad, again others on lt ssh have no problems.