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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Let me be absolutely clear. I am stating that prior to 9/11 and the "war on terror" atrocitices carried out by muslims against others (including other muslims) was not meritorious of the attentions, and certainly not the military might, of the west.

You know, I could have sworn that the Clinton administration used it's military might against a certain "chemical factory" long before 9/11 after a terrorist attack.
In fact, wasn't the Clinton administration quite active in anti-al qaida actions?

A convenient moniker that conjures up all sorts of supposedly demonic and evil images in the minds of right thinking "democrats" and which clearly establishes the democracy as the "good guy".

Just so that we're not mistaken, are you saying that what most people consider to be terrorists are not evil? That the actions they take, blowing up civilians who just want to go about their business are not evil actions?

Now, consider this. At what point did Nelson Mandela make the transition from convicted "terrorist" to international statesman and champion of equal rights and freedom of speech?

February 11, 1990

When did Osama Bin laden cease to be a mujahadeen freedom fighter funded by the CIA fighting the russian forces in Afghanistan and suddenly become an (unconvicted) terrorist?

When was he considered a freedom fighter by the west? And I don't mean the media, I mean by the US goverment, as from what I know he was never seen as that, just as a tool to cause the Russians problems.

You need to understand that there are those in the muslim communty who believe that they are at war and they see the west and its allies to be terrorists. Are they not entitled to freedom of speech, freedom of thought or should they simply cow tow to the propaganda that we are all fed day and daily like sheep?

Are you saying they should cow tow to the anti-west propaganda, like the dossier the danish imams took to the middle east with the sole purpose of causing outrage?

The fact is that if you want to sanitize genocide or terrorism you simply relabel it as war or freedom fighting. Lets be frank about this. If you glorify war you will pay the price because someone WILL put you to the test, of that you can be sure.

Bovine excriment! A terrorist is not a freedome fighter! The only people who try that line are ones who try to justify what terrorists do!
Who the hell is trying to glorify war, oh hang on, the islamic extremists are with their calls for jihad, despite such calls being totally against the rules of jihad in the koran!

"you know what, I supported the right to publish those cartoons". With free speech comes responsibility, sadly we're not seeing much of that.

What comes after umpteenth?
Can anyone tell me?
Because last time I said for the umpteenth time, and no I have to say it again.
The images that were published by the newspapers are not the ones which caused the offence, the images of a man dressed up as a pig with the added caption "the true face of muhammad," a muslim praying while being humped by a dog, and muhammad portrayed as a demonic paedophile because of his 9 year old wife, in addition to the right wing anti-islamic propoganda are what caused the offence!
Other muslims who haven't even seen the cartoons, let alone the offensive images and documents, joined the objection because they were told as muslims they should object by other muslims, without really knowing what they're objecting to.

One mans freedom fighting is another mans terrorism, I'm sure you get where I'm coming from.

Justifying terrorism again?