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Xaccers · 07-02-2006, 20:34

Ok, if we ignore that the very earliest hebrews worshipped several gods, and concentrate on the one that Abraham picked, we get yaweh, who the jews don't name, the christians call god, and the muslims call allah.
They are all one and the same deity, or at least they're all from the same original diety.
Hebrews had the Torah, their book of g-d's laws etc describing how to live, stay healthy etc.
If your mother was a Jew, then you are a Jew, one of the "chosen" by g-d.
Someone couldn't convert.

Then Rabbi Joshua came along (aka Jesus to the Greeks and Isa to the muslims) and updated the Jewish faith with new teachings which were less day to day rules and more happy lifestyle rules which anyone could follow.
It also introduced the idea of conversion, where rather than one specific group being chosen, anyone could be chosen if they chose to live a certain way.
The teachings of Joshua were written down many years after he gave them, and so it is a matter of faith to believe they are accurate. This is made harder for those without faith because several hundred years after Joshua died, the bible pretty much as we know it today, was written, where men decided what should be included, and what should be destroyed.
They also ended the bible stating that no more should be added, thus ensuring that what they believed would be locked in place forever.

About 5 hundred years after Joshua, Mohammed came along, claiming to have been visited by the angel Gabriel with a new updated set of rules, the Koran (actually an old set of rules supposedly the true religion set up in Mecca by Abraham and Ishmael, however Psalm 83 states that the Ishmaelites are against the true god).
At the time, the bedouin had a mainly shamonic belief system, worshiping elements and dust devils etc, however they were aware of Joshua's teachings, although not in the same way as followers of the early church knew them via the bible.
The Koran comes after the teachings of Joshua, and recognises the previous prophets of the god of Abraham, just as the Bible does.
It also recognises that Jews and Christians are followers of Allah, in their own way and as such should be protected as brothers.

Unlike christianity, which started out as a very jewish sect, and didn't seperate until many years after Joshua died, when the jews revolted against the Romans after decreing someone else (I can't remember his name) as the messiah, Islam comes through Ishmael, the son who Abraham expelled into the desert with his mother to die.
Allah lead Ishmael to an oaisis, thus sparing his life, and creating the Ishmaelites.

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Xaccers Inactive Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Milling around Milton Keynes Age: 48 Posts: 12,969	Re: Should they be published in the UK? Ok, if we ignore that the very earliest hebrews worshipped several gods, and concentrate on the one that Abraham picked, we get yaweh, who the jews don't name, the christians call god, and the muslims call allah. They are all one and the same deity, or at least they're all from the same original diety. Hebrews had the Torah, their book of g-d's laws etc describing how to live, stay healthy etc. If your mother was a Jew, then you are a Jew, one of the "chosen" by g-d. Someone couldn't convert. Then Rabbi Joshua came along (aka Jesus to the Greeks and Isa to the muslims) and updated the Jewish faith with new teachings which were less day to day rules and more happy lifestyle rules which anyone could follow. It also introduced the idea of conversion, where rather than one specific group being chosen, anyone could be chosen if they chose to live a certain way. The teachings of Joshua were written down many years after he gave them, and so it is a matter of faith to believe they are accurate. This is made harder for those without faith because several hundred years after Joshua died, the bible pretty much as we know it today, was written, where men decided what should be included, and what should be destroyed. They also ended the bible stating that no more should be added, thus ensuring that what they believed would be locked in place forever. About 5 hundred years after Joshua, Mohammed came along, claiming to have been visited by the angel Gabriel with a new updated set of rules, the Koran (actually an old set of rules supposedly the true religion set up in Mecca by Abraham and Ishmael, however Psalm 83 states that the Ishmaelites are against the true god). At the time, the bedouin had a mainly shamonic belief system, worshiping elements and dust devils etc, however they were aware of Joshua's teachings, although not in the same way as followers of the early church knew them via the bible. The Koran comes after the teachings of Joshua, and recognises the previous prophets of the god of Abraham, just as the Bible does. It also recognises that Jews and Christians are followers of Allah, in their own way and as such should be protected as brothers. Unlike christianity, which started out as a very jewish sect, and didn't seperate until many years after Joshua died, when the jews revolted against the Romans after decreing someone else (I can't remember his name) as the messiah, Islam comes through Ishmael, the son who Abraham expelled into the desert with his mother to die. Allah lead Ishmael to an oaisis, thus sparing his life, and creating the Ishmaelites.