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Unsubstantiated?
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Yes.
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- Well Israel also don't seem to mind annexing land,
Yep look at this great big barrier that just happens to veer way off their internationally recognized borders into land they have no legal entitlement to.
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They just recently they moved out of a huge amount of 'annexed' land but that didn't seem to satisy anyone either.
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- kidnapping people from other countries and taking them back to Israel illegally
Yep thats a lie. Just ask Mordechai Vannu about it. Except you can't as he can't legally speak to any media outlets without risking being put back in jail.
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- That doesn't sound like a systematic activity. And I gather he has made efforts to betray Israel.
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- state-sponsored killings of people with no trial,
All those cars blowing up in Gaza and the West Bank are all accidents. Nothing to do with missiles etc.
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- They have made their attitude to terrorism clear. If the terrorists don't want to get blown up, then they should stop blowing up innocent people.
I know two wrongs don't make a right, but to only focus on the actions of one party is just biased.
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- keeping people in solitary confinement in jail for years at a time
See point 2 above.
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- Again, not evidence of systematic abuse.
And none of these justify proliferating nuclear weapons in the Middle east.
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I don't think I have an anti-American, anti-Israel viewpoint. I'm no fan of Monkey in Chief Bush but when everyone starts screaming about Iran wanting nuclear weapons and Iraq having them ready for use in 45 minutes (ahem) it is worth pointing out only 1 country in the Middle East actually does have WMD's
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Singling out the US as the opponents to Iran's nuclear ambition shows anti-American bias, since they're not the only ones against it. I'd suggest that even the language you use to describe the Americans/Bush makes you look very anti-, rather than a principled observer.
You've also tried to suggest that because Israel (who you have tried very hard to make look the bad guys) has nukes, Iran should be allowed to have them too. The way you have railed against Israel certainly seemed anti-Israeli to me, rather than offering any kind of measured debate.