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Originally Posted by andygrif

Even if they were to produce a few warheads, they're not going to waste them on the own people are they?

They might, but they're more likely to waste them on another nation's population, don't you think that's reason enough?

Originally Posted by andygrif

And George Bush has called for Al Jazeera to be wiped off the map. What's the difference? The difference is that George Bush has the ability to do it. That make him more dangerous to me in my opinion.

Lets see, alleged claim that Bush stated he wanted Al Jazeera removed, with out any context, and unless it's occured while I wasn't looking, no actual evidence that this was a plan to be put into action.
Compare that with wiping out an entire nation. Do you not think that what Hitler attempted during his time in power was bad enough or would you have prefered he finished the job?
Iran has said it wants to wipe Israel out, and it is seeking the means to do so, and this doesn't bother you one bit?

Originally Posted by andygrif

I guess this is the fundamental where neither of know the answer - but I can't see him doing it...it would be suicide for the whole country. And before people pipe up and say that they wouldn't care, and rubbish about paradise and seven virgins et al...stop and think. The people that go around blowing themselves and victims up are not leaders, elders, or controllers. The people who encourage that kind of behaviour are as scared of dying as you or I.

Why do you think people like Saddam had a massive nuclear bunker under his palace that he could have survived in if anyone launched nukes agaisnt Bahgdad?
Why do you think we have bunkers in this country to keep the cabinet and monarchy safe if we had been attacked by the USSR with nukes.
Goodness man! There's an entire underground city that was built for such an event!
The Russians and the US did the same, in the belief that if they went to war with nukes, they'd survive.

Originally Posted by andygrif

I can only speak about the people from that region I've met...including many Saudis and, like us, they want people to get along peacefully as neighbours. Your average Iranian couldn't care less about Isreal. Sure, they don't like the fact that Isreal was planted in an Arab area - but most Muslims are not affected by it and understand the same as us, the need to get on with now, rather than harping back on the past.

Then you know some moderate muslims.
I also know moderate muslims, and I also know non-moderate muslims who don't care if what they've been told is true or right, if it suggests Israel is bad and should be wiped off the map, then they're up for it no matter the consiquences.

Originally Posted by andygrif

And how do you stop the erroneous factor that breaks the rule?

With the best means at your disposal.
In some circumstances that will only be diplomacy, such as with NK.
In others, military action can be taken if diplomacy fails.

Originally Posted by andygrif

And what's the basis for your argument?

You don't think that wiping out Israel is reason enough????