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Old 13-10-2003, 12:56   #48
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Re: Goodbye to a flat rate for broadband?

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Originally Posted by erol
You are _still_ confusing the usage of BW with the cause of congestion. I am not in the business of 'making up' figures, just countering the telcos 'made up' figures. So the reason you do not move to an ISP that would block P2P traffic and give you the connection you 'want' is that you are not the bothered really ? Strange thats not the impression I got.



You still do not get it. Just because (if it is ture) 5 % use 60%-80% of the total bandwidth, that does NOT mean that they are responsible for the same % of _congestion_ in peak periods. Just because my 5% of beer drinkers might consume 60-80% of the total beer serverd in 24hrs, it does not mean they are responsible for 60-80% of the bar congestion. When they are in the bar during peak periods they cause _exactly_ one person's worth of congestion per person, anything more is _physically_ impossible. Just because a driver might do 1000's of miles on the roads, when there is congestion, they cause _exactly_ one cars worth of congestion, anything more is _physically impossible_. Yet if an BB users consumes 'higher than average' bandwidth, then when they are usinf it during busy periods, they somehow cause way more congestion that one connection can, at least according to you and telco propaganda. [/b]
As has been quoted before, each DOCSIS upload stream is about 2Meg. If you get ten 1 Meg users on one upload stream and they all upload at full speed, then that connection will be fully loaded.

As you may or may not know, TCP/IP requires acknowlegement signals sent back to the server before the server can send the next packet, so if you do get ten 1 Meg users on one DOCSIS upstream, and they are all uploading at maximum speed, then it will slow internet access for everyone else. This to me sounds like a congested connection.

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You are priceless. So NTL have got themselves into a total mess finacialy, wiped out 1000s of original shareholder money through bad management, strategic incompetence and acquisitional follies, so we can't expect them to scale their networks properly. And the man most responsible for this state of affairs ? Yep you got, it's the same BK, that you seem to think must have all the answers because he is paid £3500 per day ! Priceless.
As you say NTL got themselves into this mess. Unfortunately,because of the mess, they don't have the money to expand the network. QED.

Having said that, BK is responsible for the mess, so they shouldn't reward him with £3.5K a day.
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