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Originally Posted by ianathuth

If p2p was to vanish there would be far less chance of congestion.

Really? So if every car user that is using his car for an illegal activity was to be removed from the roads there would be far less chance of road congestion would there? Or maybe the more you free up the road, the more cars that then come and fill the void until you are back where you started, regardless of whether the journies are illegal or not ?

Originally Posted by ianathuth

With todays technology and pricing there is bound to be situations where congestion occurs. Statistical diversity allows contention to work and give us our connections at a reasonable price but 24/7 maxing out of a connection does not give that diversity. You could have a situation where there are a couple of hundred very light users on a card but there is always a chance that at any particular moment they all want to do something that uses most of their bandwidth at the same time. We are using a contented service that is priced because it is so and therefore we must expect there to be congestion at times.

If you are so het up about this and so convinced that all your problems lay at the door of this 'mythical' 5% of heavy P2P users, then why not go to a ISP that _does_ ban such users and usage? That's not a 'trite' question, I really want to know the answer. Maybe you do not have any options other than cable (though there is satelite and I can _guarantee_ that no self respecting crazed warez theif would use a sat connection) ?

Originally Posted by ianathuth

Do you not agree that the download of copyright material without the copyright holders permission is illegal. Yes or no?

Of course I do. Where have I said different ?

Originally Posted by ianathuth

Do you condone people breaking the law. Yes or no?

Of course not. Where have I said different ?

Originally Posted by ianathuth

Do you think that someone who is performing illegal activities on their connections and activities that are not allowed under the terms and conditions of the service provider should be allowed to affect the service of others. Yes or no?

I think the ISP should warn and then remove service from such people if they ignore the warning. Where have I said different ?

Just a couple of questions for you. What has any of the above got to do with my disagreement that 5% of BB users do (or even physical can) create 60-80% of the congestion in peak periods ?

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Did you like my 'beer' analogy ?

What is your solution to service levels being degraded?

My solution to people doing illegal things is to use the law to stop them (not service restriction, not caps and not pay per MB (as the _only_ option)).

My solution to service levels being degraded beyond aceptable levels is for ISPs to properly scale thier networks (and price them accordingly). It would also help if they were up front an honest about thier services, and did not 'over promise' when selling them.

You see they are two different problems with two different solutions.

So what exactly is your 'solution' ?