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Mauldor · 04-12-2005, 15:06

Lets Break up some facts and see why, what and where-for type of thing.
An ISP will dedicate so much bandwidth per XX Households. Think of it a bit like a Airline that Overbook, in the hope that not everybody will turn up for flights - in the same way they don;t expect everybody to be downloading at once. The problem comes about when people find out other ways to use there connection, be it News Servers, P2P Apps or Servers. All of these can be run without the person siting in front of the PC at all so is irrelevent if the person is working or not working.

Once too many people in one area start doing this (use there connection too much) it staurates the bandwidth and the speeds come flying down. people then start to complain, they are paying for XX Connection yet rarely see this at all - they might as well be paying for the next Tier down for exmaple.

The higher the speeds get, the bigger the files people will go and find - example On Dial up it would be madness to download a complete DVD though can be done *eventually* - on 10mbit a 4.5 GIG DVD suddenly looks good to grab as it takes a lot less time etc.

So how can An ISP manage this 'Over-use' and give all customers a fair slice of the pie? The easiest one to chuck in seems to be Caps but in all fairness they have not provided a means to see how much you have downloaded etc. Now somebody in a 12 months contract will be bound by having 512K, the same if all you can get in your area is Cable - but what about the people who fall outside this?? Basically NTL need to look into a better way to manage the Caps such as Off-Peak 'Not counted' method and Im sure all the Leechers can work around downlaoding through the night sort of thing.

The nottom line is this - as it stands, this CAP is solving nothing, I could go and GRAB 75GIG + easy right now in peak time and still be within the restrictions of my service but on the upshot effecting everybody on the Same UBR. I also am none to happt that my downloads vary from 30K to 4Mbit, always tending to be on the Slower side. I am seriously thinking of Saving myself some money soon and going BACK to 2mbit regradless of the said CAP - It *used* to be faster but who knows, i might downgrade and it might now be uber slow due to everybody downloading / Speed testing etc.

04-12-2005, 15:06	#577
Mauldor Inactive Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Scunthorpe Age: 59 Services: 50mbit, Base TV, Base Phone Posts: 437	*Re: ALL* ntl Cap Discussion (Part 3)** Lets Break up some facts and see why, what and where-for type of thing. An ISP will dedicate so much bandwidth per XX Households. Think of it a bit like a Airline that Overbook, in the hope that not everybody will turn up for flights - in the same way they don;t expect everybody to be downloading at once. The problem comes about when people find out other ways to use there connection, be it News Servers, P2P Apps or Servers. All of these can be run without the person siting in front of the PC at all so is irrelevent if the person is working or not working. Once too many people in one area start doing this (use there connection too much) it staurates the bandwidth and the speeds come flying down. people then start to complain, they are paying for XX Connection yet rarely see this at all - they might as well be paying for the next Tier down for exmaple. The higher the speeds get, the bigger the files people will go and find - example On Dial up it would be madness to download a complete DVD though can be done eventually - on 10mbit a 4.5 GIG DVD suddenly looks good to grab as it takes a lot less time etc. So how can An ISP manage this 'Over-use' and give all customers a fair slice of the pie? The easiest one to chuck in seems to be Caps but in all fairness they have not provided a means to see how much you have downloaded etc. Now somebody in a 12 months contract will be bound by having 512K, the same if all you can get in your area is Cable - but what about the people who fall outside this?? Basically NTL need to look into a better way to manage the Caps such as Off-Peak 'Not counted' method and Im sure all the Leechers can work around downlaoding through the night sort of thing. The nottom line is this - as it stands, this CAP is solving nothing, I could go and GRAB 75GIG + easy right now in peak time and still be within the restrictions of my service but on the upshot effecting everybody on the Same UBR. I also am none to happt that my downloads vary from 30K to 4Mbit, always tending to be on the Slower side. I am seriously thinking of Saving myself some money soon and going BACK to 2mbit regradless of the said CAP - It used to be faster but who knows, i might downgrade and it might now be uber slow due to everybody downloading / Speed testing etc.