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Originally Posted by clarie
OMG Get over it!! What you're saying isn't even true!!!
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Hey, you're the one who denied it.
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Originally Posted by clarie
So you wouldn't consider going round and asking if they would turn it down?
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Yes, but they are free to say no, just as if you wanted, you could ask a landlord to make your local a smoke free enviroment, and they are free to say no.
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Originally Posted by clarie
Have you read the above posts on this issue? You may need to re-read them. The main issues are:
a) People have habits as regards where they go and drink. One bar is not likely to change this immediately.
b) We do not know that the only reason the pub failed was due to the non-smoking policy.
c) You cannot rely on the example of one bar out of thousands.
d) As has already been said repeatedly in this thread, until a country-wide ban on smoking is introduced in bars, or even those that serve food, it is not possible to gauge how the British public will react. It is highly unlikely that the habits of the non-smokers who choose not to go to pubs because of the smoky atmosphere are going to suddenly start going out because one bar on a busy street of bars has introduced a non-smoking policy.
c) My issue has never been with profits, nor has it been with what people want, per se. As has been said many times, currently the pub going majority are smokers, but a widespread ban could well change this. The fact that one bar failed does not negate this.
d) One of the reasons for the call for a ban on smoking in public places is that it could encourage people to quit. Again, one bar will not have this effect alone.
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a) What about the habbits of the "majority" non-smokers who avoid pubs because of the smoke? Surely if you supply them with a non-smoking pub, which you claim there are plenty of customers just waiting for the oppertunity to frequent, then such a place in a sea of smoking pubs is going to be raking it in, unless of course the majority of people who go to pubs in that area accept the risks of passive smoking and go to smoking pubs, but then, that would mean your assertion was wrong.
b) Smoking: bar is successful. Introduces non-smoking policy: bar is unsuccessful even though from what you've said, there should have been loads of people rushing to drink there. Smoking again: bar is successful again.
c) A widespread ban is not on the cards.
d) You do know there is a difference between "encourage" and "coerce" don't you?