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Originally Posted by Xaccers
Yes, hence some of the health issues which you denied.
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OMG Get over it!! What you're saying isn't even true!!!
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However, if my neighbour is not breaking any laws, it is up to me, as the person who is responsible for my health, to take steps to reduce the damage to a level which is acceptable to me, such as insulating the walls, wearing earplugs, moving house, installing double glazing etc.
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So you wouldn't consider going round and asking if they would turn it down?
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Repeating "it's a bad example" won't make it a bad example Clarie, I've given several reasons as to why it is a good example.
It was successful as a smoking establishment.
It failed as a non-smoking establishment, despite having the monopoly on non-smoking establishments in Wind Road.
Therefore if there was a mass demand for non-smoking pubs, it would have had sufficient numbers of customers to survive, after all, it managed while being a smoking establishment, and you claim that would mean it was catering to a minority.
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Have you read the above posts on this issue? You may need to re-read them. The main issues are:
a) People have habits as regards where they go and drink. One bar is not likely to change this immediately.
b) We do not know that the only reason the pub failed was due to the non-smoking policy.
c) You cannot rely on the example of one bar out of thousands.
d) As has already been said repeatedly in this thread, until a country-wide ban on smoking is introduced in bars, or even those that serve food, it is not possible to gauge how the British public will react. It is highly unlikely that the habits of the non-smokers who choose not to go to pubs because of the smoky atmosphere are going to suddenly start going out because one bar on a busy street of bars has introduced a non-smoking policy.
c) My issue has never been with profits, nor has it been with what people want, per se. As has been said many times, currently the pub going majority are smokers, but a widespread ban could well change this. The fact that one bar failed does not negate this.
d) One of the reasons for the call for a ban on smoking in public places is that it could encourage people to quit. Again, one bar will not have this effect alone.